Georgia could suffer mortgage crisis

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New law gums up Georgia's mortgage industry

As I and many in the lending industry have predicted, the "Predatory Lending" laws have finally gone too far, reducing the availability of mortgage financing to people who actually want loans.

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Mortgage shoppers in Georgia might discover this week that they can't get a loan or even a rate quote. Blame it on Georgia's anti-predatory lending law.

The Georgia Fair Lending Act, or GFLA, is the farthest-reaching anti-predatory lending law in the nation. It is designed to protect elderly, poor and unsophisticated borrowers from lenders who price-gouge or make loans that can't be repaid.

When the law went into effect Oct. 1, Georgia's mortgage lenders and brokers predicted that it would create a credit crunch. No one guessed that a bond-rating agency would make that forecast come true.

But that could be the result of Standard & Poor's announcement late last week that it would no longer rate mortgage-backed securities that include loans covered by GFLA. Don't worry if you don't understand that; I'll explain below. The upshot is that Standard & Poor's announcement could start a chain reaction that shuts down Georgia's mortgage industry.

"I'm hoping it won't take someone sitting at the closing table and the attorney coming in and saying, 'I'm sorry, we can't close your loan.' I'm hoping that's not what it will take," says Bob Long, a mortgage broker in Marietta, Ga., who hopes legislators will repeal the parts of GFLA that triggered the action by Standard & Poor's.

Some lenders pull out of Georgia
A few mortgage brokers and lenders say they will stop lending altogether, or restrict the types of loans they offer, in reaction to Standard & Poor's announcement. They make subprime, loans -- mortgages for people with flawed credit histories -- as well as low-documentation and interest-only mortgages to people with excellent credit. None of the lenders are household names. They include EquiFirst Corp., AmeriQuest and BancMortgage Financial Group.

Some of the biggest names in the mortgage industry -- Bank of America, Countrywide, Wells Fargo Home Mortgage and Washington Mutual -- say they continue to underwrite mortgages for Georgians with good credit histories. Spokespersons for the lenders say they are keeping an eye on the situation.

Lenders are awaiting word from the nation's two biggest buyers of mortgages, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. A Freddie Mac spokesman says the corporation continues to buy mortgages from Georgia. Fannie Mae has not responded to requests for comment.

Richard Raymer, general counsel for the Georgia Mortgage Bankers Association, says he expects Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to continue buying mortgages, meaning people with good credit will have no trouble getting home loans.

Lenders are operating under that assumption. "I'm going to keep doing my business until somebody tells me I can't," says Brian Peart, president of Nexus Financial Group in Atlanta. It is possible, he says, that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will stop buying mortgages from Georgia.

Such an action by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac could halt mortgage lending in Georgia, and Peart believes someone would step in to relieve the crisis: "I can't imagine they're going to let everyone in Georgia suffer with no loans for purchasing or refinancing."

How mortgages are bought and sold
To understand what Standard & Poor's did, you have to know how mortgages are bought and sold and how Georgia's law affects investors. When you get a mortgage, the lender can either keep the loan on its books or sell the loan, usually to Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac. Most conforming mortgages are sold. When the lender sells your mortgage, it gets cash to lend to the next guy, and then that loan is sold, and so on.

When Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy home loans, they bundle millions of dollars' worth of mortgages into mortgage-backed securities, which are similar to bonds. Mortgage-backed securities are sold to institutional investors such as pension funds. Like bonds, the securities are rated.

Here's what Standard & Poor's did: It said that it won't rate bundles of mortgages that include loans made under Georgia's fair-lending law. Standard & Poor's doesn't rate mortgage-backed securities bought and sold by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but it does rate securities comprising subprime, stated-income, low-documentation and interest-only loans, as well as certain mortgages on investment properties and high loan-to-value mortgages. Standard & Poor's action will make it difficult or impossible for lenders to sell these mortgages on houses in Georgia. Lenders will have less money to lend to future borrowers, and that will drive up rates.

State Sen. Vincent Fort, a Democrat from Atlanta who worked for two years to pass an anti-predatory lending law, says he will believe that lenders have pulled out of Georgia when he sees documentation. News of an exodus of subprime lenders from the state, he says, "is part of an orchestrated campaign of lies that the predatory lenders began in earnest after the law passed last April."

Some of the companies who reportedly have stopped lending in Georgia "do bad, predatory loans," Fort says. "Is anyone who wants a good loan, are they going to be prevented from getting a loan? No!"

Why did Standard & Poor's take action? Because Georgia's law allows alleged victims of predatory lending to sue not only their lenders, but also the investors who buy mortgage-backed securities. A pension fund or other institutional investor could lose the value of all the Georgia loans in its mortgage-backed security, and also could be liable for punitive damages.

With each Georgia loan carrying the possibility of unlimited punitive damages, it is impossible to calculate the risk of having Georgia loans in a mortgage-backed security, says Frank Raiter, managing director of Standard & Poor's residential mortgage ratings group. So Standard & Poor's will rate only mortgage-backed securities that don't have loans covered by Georgia's anti-predatory lending law.

The Georgia law divides mortgages into categories: home loans, covered home loans and high-cost home loans. Most mortgages are classified under the law as regular home loans and are not considered predatory at all.

Covered loans have relatively high interest rates (right now, 8.25 percent or above) and are for people with a few problems in their credit histories. Lenders are wary of extending these types of loans for fear of being sued.

And lawsuit fears have stopped virtually all lenders from underwriting high-cost loans, which have very high interest rates and fees and are intended for borrowers who have histories of late payments and unpaid bills.

Georgia's legislature intended for lenders and investors to treat regular home loans differently from covered and high-cost home loans. But Raiter, of Standard & Poor's, says the risk is too great that someone will mistakenly classify a covered or high-cost loan as a regular home loan, and that an investor would be sued. So all loans governed under the Georgia Fair Lending Act effectively are barred from mortgage-backed securities rated by Standard & Poor's.

Some mortgages are not governed by the Georgia law: jumbo mortgages (loans in excess of $322,700), reverse mortgages, bridge loans that finance the construction of the borrower's primary home, agricultural loans and commercial loans. Standard & Poor's action does not affect those loans.

Long compares the Georgia law to a platypus. "What (legislators) came up with doesn't swim well, wobbles when it walks, quacks when it talks and overall is an ugly animal," he says.
 

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Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .
 

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .

Kill all the elderly, poor, hillbillies, then you'd have no one to protect ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .

Kill all the elderly, poor, hillbillies, then you'd have no one to protect ;)
Damn, you're quick to give up all your relatives aren't you? :Q

 

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .

Kill all the elderly, poor, hillbillies, then you'd have no one to protect ;)
Damn, you're quick to give up all your relatives aren't you? :Q

Less alimony he has to pay. ;)
 

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Can somebody in a short and concise explanation tell me why this is a bad thing, and just how many people is it going to affect?
 

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .

True, this is just a tactic by Lenders sticking together to try and bully the Georgia Legislature like they bullied unsuspecting Homeowners. Let them run, it leaves more business for the real and serious Lenders that don't intend on screwing people over. They'll come back when they miss the business and the money.
 

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Originally posted by: nord1899
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Beau
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .

Kill all the elderly, poor, hillbillies, then you'd have no one to protect ;)
Damn, you're quick to give up all your relatives aren't you? :Q

Less alimony he has to pay. ;)

Exactly!!!
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .
Remove the part where the investors can be sued as well the originating lender/broker.

I think if you really looked into this matter, Fausto1, you'd find that "Predatory" lending is not all that you are told it is. Did you know that FHA/HUD/VA loans have 3 times the foreclosure rate of the average subprime lender?
 

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Here is Neal Boortz's take on the subject. Scroll down to about mid page with the headline "UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES". At the bottom he gives a list of companies that are pulling out or scaling back the loans they give in Georgia.

Here's a highlight:
Yesterday you learned that mortgage lenders were pulling out of Georgia as a result of this law. Standard & Poor?s was refusing to rate mortgage-backed securities containing Georgia loans. Lenders were laying-off employees. Some were predicting a complete shut-down of Georgia?s mortgage lending industry
 

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .
Remove the part where the investors can be sued as well the originating lender/broker.

I think if you really looked into this matter, Fausto1, you'd find that "Predatory" lending is not all that you are told it is. Did you know that FHA/HUD/VA loans have 3 times the foreclosure rate of the average subprime lender?
Hey, I wasn't pointing fingers, just asking. All I've heard on this was the "Fighting the Good Fight" side of things from the legislature and was interested to hear what the other half (lenders) have to say on the matter.

 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Can somebody in a short and concise explanation tell me why this is a bad thing, and just how many people is it going to affect?

everybody in GA is going to be affected, due to this law, Standard & Poor?s is refusing to rate mortgage-backed securities containing Georgia loans.

that means the companies that sell mortgage loans in packages CAN'T sell any GA mortgages, they are WORTHLESS because they are unrated

this is a BIG mess

Unrated securities == Junk bond status == if anybody is willing to continue, the mortagage rates in GA will skyrocket
 

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Here's a better explanation of what happened from Boortz :

Because the GFLA provides for not only civil damages, but even punitive damages and criminal penalties against mortgage companies and individuals who make loans which violate the act. Wait! There?s more! Not only do these civil and criminal penalties apply to the mortgage companies who make the loans, but they also apply to anyone who might invest in the loan in the future! That means anyone who buys a share of any mortgage-backed security that contains one loan found to be in violation of the GFLA. Let?s say you?re a participant in a teacher?s pension plan in Wichita, Kansas. Your plan administrator buys a share in a mortgage-backed security containing loans from Georgia. One of the borrowers sues for violation of the GFLA. He finds a sympathetic jury and judge and gets judgment absolving him of any responsibility to pay the loan back. Then the jury awards him $5,000,000 in punitive damages! Suddenly that pension fund administrator is trying to explain to his teachers just why their pension fund is paying a huge share of a five million dollar punitive damage award to some deadbeat in Georgia who couldn?t make his house payments and who found a predatory lawyer who would use the GFLA to get him off the hook.

And just how can a loan violate the GFLA? Here?s but one example dealing with refinancing. The GFLA says that any refinance loan made within five years of a previous loan on the same property must provide to the borrower a ?net economic benefit.? So just what is a net economic benefit? The law doesn?t say. That would be up to a jury. Don?t you just love the idea of a jury deciding on a question of ?net economic benefit??
 

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FoBoT & Queasy, thank's for the explanations. I was having troubles decifering the repercussions of this.
 

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Here's a better explanation of what happened from Boortz :

Because the GFLA provides for not only civil damages, but even punitive damages and criminal penalties against mortgage companies and individuals who make loans which violate the act. Wait! There?s more! Not only do these civil and criminal penalties apply to the mortgage companies who make the loans, but they also apply to anyone who might invest in the loan in the future! That means anyone who buys a share of any mortgage-backed security that contains one loan found to be in violation of the GFLA. Let?s say you?re a participant in a teacher?s pension plan in Wichita, Kansas. Your plan administrator buys a share in a mortgage-backed security containing loans from Georgia. One of the borrowers sues for violation of the GFLA. He finds a sympathetic jury and judge and gets judgment absolving him of any responsibility to pay the loan back. Then the jury awards him $5,000,000 in punitive damages! Suddenly that pension fund administrator is trying to explain to his teachers just why their pension fund is paying a huge share of a five million dollar punitive damage award to some deadbeat in Georgia who couldn?t make his house payments and who found a predatory lawyer who would use the GFLA to get him off the hook.

And just how can a loan violate the GFLA? Here?s but one example dealing with refinancing. The GFLA says that any refinance loan made within five years of a previous loan on the same property must provide to the borrower a ?net economic benefit.? So just what is a net economic benefit? The law doesn?t say. That would be up to a jury. Don?t you just love the idea of a jury deciding on a question of ?net economic benefit??


What complete bunk, I'm surprised at Neal, he is usually much better than this. The finger pointing is in the future on hypothetical BS and the fingers are pointed in the wrong direction. It points to the bigger picture problem of Trial Lawyers and Much needed Tort reform. None of that has anything to do with Lenders that charged 200% Interest rates which is why the law was put into place. There really were "Mortgage" outfits charging 200% rates and getting away with it.

 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Vic, I'm curious: how would you amend this law in order to circumvent this problem while still protecting GA's citizens from predatory lenders?

Serious question. I'm not being a wiseass (for once :p ) .

True, this is just a tactic by Lenders sticking together to try and bully the Georgia Legislature like they bullied unsuspecting Homeowners. Let them run, it leaves more business for the real and serious Lenders that don't intend on screwing people over. They'll come back when they miss the business and the money.
They may miss the business, but they won't come back until the law is changed. The margins are simply too thin to risk this kind of lawsuit exposure. This wasn't some little mom-and-pop lender that pulled out of Georgia, this was Standard and Poors, in case you missed that. IndyMac and Lehman Bros. are said to be in the process of pulling out and there is concern that FNMA and FHLMC may follow suit. That would shut down mortgage lending in Georgia period. These are not the lenders to the people, these are the lenders to the lenders, the source of funds themselves.
As for the rest of your comments, I wasn't sure how to politely respond until I read Queasy's link to Boortz's site. This quote sums up best what "predatory" lending really is:
There were a few ? very few ? real estate lenders in Georgia who were seeking out the elderly and the stupid. They would loan them money at high rates and would sometimes end up taking the home in a foreclosure action. More often than not what was described as a ?predatory loan? was a loan made to some deadbeat with pathetic credit. This is commonly what awaits those who abuse lenders and fail to pay their bills.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What complete bunk, I'm surprised at Neal, he is usually much better than this. The finger pointing is in the future on hypothetical BS and the fingers are pointed in the wrong direction. It points to the bigger picture problem of Trial Lawyers and Much needed Tort reform. None of that has anything to do with Lenders that charged 200% Interest rates which is why the law was put into place. There really were "Mortgage" outfits charging 200% rates and getting away with it.

Well, that would be fine if they were only lenders that charged ridiculous amounts fell under this law. Unfortunately, even those providing reasonable rates of 8.25% and up fall under the current law.
 

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Can somebody in a short and concise explanation tell me why this is a bad thing, and just how many people is it going to affect?

It's a bad thing because lenders will only lend to customers with good credit. Got a bankruptcy or recent late payments? Forget about getting a loan in Georgia now.

Lenders charge a higher interest rate for people with bad credit because they experience higher losses making loans to those people.

I work for a major lender who now refuses to lend on any owner occupied dwelling in the City of Cleveland, OH, because of their ridiculous anti-predatory lending ordinance. One major test of their ordinance is if we make a loan to a borrower today, and at any time during the life of the loan the current "going" rate for a loan of equal term falls less than 4.5% less than your current home, the lender's officers could be held criminally liable. What a farce, how the hell can someone be held criminally liable 10 years into the future when they lent money at a competitive rate at the time the loan was originally given?

My employer was, and is, a pioneer in developing tests to insure our borrowers were being well served by thier mortgage brokers (we are a wholesale lender) and have consistantly embraced, and in many instances exceeded HUD and RESPA protections for our borrowers. Laws like those in GA or Cleveland only hurt the people they are supposed to serve because of a lack of competition as you'll see, as is already happening in Cleveland, lenders pull out and leave the lending to banks who are compelled by law to lend in areas they offer their core services.
 

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Good thing I re-financed last year. I hope Gov. Perdue does something about this. Maybe tie that Democratic State senator Fort up to a tree and play pin the tail on the jack ass.

KK
 

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Lenders charge a higher interest rate for people with bad credit because they experience higher losses making loans to those people.

Corn, out of curiosity, do lenders charge higher interest rates to people with bad credit more to disuade the people from taking the loan, or more to help build up a cusion of the person defaults on the loan if they do take it out? Or just a healthy combination of the two?
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
What complete bunk, I'm surprised at Neal, he is usually much better than this. The finger pointing is in the future on hypothetical BS and the fingers are pointed in the wrong direction. It points to the bigger picture problem of Trial Lawyers and Much needed Tort reform. None of that has anything to do with Lenders that charged 200% Interest rates which is why the law was put into place. There really were "Mortgage" outfits charging 200% rates and getting away with it.
No, there were no lenders charging 200% on a mortgage. That would be impossible.
The HomeOwnership and Equity Protection Act of 1995 (HOEPA) amended Section 32 of Regulation Z of the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act of 1974 (RESPA) to limit the maximum APR on any mortgage loan in the US to Prime + 10% and the maximum Prepaid Finance Charge (PFC, or those fees which are calculated into the APR) to less than 8% of the gross loan amount. In rare instances, it is possible for a lender to get around HOEPA by having the borrower sign an additional (and very freakily worded) disclosure and adding on an additional 3 day waiting period, but 99.99% of all MBS investors will not buy HOEPA loans, so there's no point.

I'm sorry, Dave, but you don't know what you're talking about. You think you're on a consumer advocacy trip when in fact you are working against the vast majority of consumers, i.e. those with good credit and the ability to read simple disclosures. Mortgage lending is the fairest system in the world: if you have good credit and qualifications, you get a great loan; if you don't, you don't. All these anti-predatory laws do is either: (1) make it so consumers with poor credit can no longer get any loans at all (which is what Georgia's law just did), or (2) attempt to force lenders to give "A" loans to poor credit consumers, which increases the risk and raises the rates for everyone.
 

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Originally posted by: vi_edit
Lenders charge a higher interest rate for people with bad credit because they experience higher losses making loans to those people.

Corn, out of curiosity, do lenders charge higher interest rates to people with bad credit more to disuade the people from taking the loan, or more to help build up a cusion of the person defaults on the loan if they do take it out? Or just a healthy combination of the two?
Door # 2 only. Unless a borrower has substantial amount of equity, foreclosures are almost always a loss for the lender.

 

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Originally posted by: Corn
Can somebody in a short and concise explanation tell me why this is a bad thing, and just how many people is it going to affect?

It's a bad thing because lenders will only lend to customers with good credit. Got a bankruptcy or recent late payments? Forget about getting a loan in Georgia now.

Lenders charge a higher interest rate for people with bad credit because they experience higher losses making loans to those people.

I work for a major lender who now refuses to lend on any owner occupied dwelling in the City of Cleveland, OH, because of their ridiculous anti-predatory lending ordinance. One major test of their ordinance is if we make a loan to a borrower today, and at any time during the life of the loan the current "going" rate for a loan of equal term falls less than 4.5% less than your current home, the lender's officers could be held criminally liable. What a farce, how the hell can someone be held criminally liable 10 years into the future when they lent money at a competitive rate at the time the loan was originally given?

My employer was, and is, a pioneer in developing tests to insure our borrowers were being well served by thier mortgage brokers (we are a wholesale lender) and have consistantly embraced, and in many instances exceeded HUD and RESPA protections for our borrowers. Laws like those in GA or Cleveland only hurt the people they are supposed to serve because of a lack of competition as you'll see, as is already happening in Cleveland, lenders pull out and leave the lending to banks who are compelled by law to lend in areas they offer their core services.

So does the mortgage companies have to automatic lower the interest rates on the loans in order to be in compliance. Say someone back in 1982 took out a loan at 13% would the lender adjust the interest rate to be incompliance if the rate fell below 8.5? If they do, wouldn't this be like an ARM?

KK

 

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Door # 2 only. Unless a borrower has substantial amount of equity, foreclosures are almost always a loss for the lender.

Are the substansial losses due to legal procedings and the hastle of actually commencing with the foreclosure? I'm asking simply because I'm ignorant on the subject and would like to know more.