George W. Bush takes a break from painting.

[Stokely]

Screw him. Trump, as bad as he is and as crazy as he talks, has yet to kill hundreds of thousands of people over false pretenses. Bush should be in prison, and screw all the people too cowardly to stand up to him and Cheney (including Hillary).

 

[hal2kilo]

Screw him. Trump, as bad as he is and as crazy as he talks, has yet to kill hundreds of thousands of people over false pretenses. Bush should be in prison, and screw all the people too cowardly to stand up to him and Cheney (including Hillary).

Give it time.

 

[Blackjack200]

Screw him. Trump, as bad as he is and as crazy as he talks, has yet to kill hundreds of thousands of people over false pretenses. Bush should be in prison, and screw all the people too cowardly to stand up to him and Cheney (including Hillary).

Thank you. No one should ever forget what that man did.

 

[IronWing]

Well I lived in CA so perhaps a different climate. But even on this forum people were talking about how horrible Bush was as a person until Trump took the baton and ran at light speed.

Bush was and is a horrible person.

 

[feralkid]

Oh do tell...

What are we still climbing out of?
Based on what metrics?​

Oh, so the Recovery is over?

Thanks again, Obama!

 

[mect]

Well I lived in CA so perhaps a different climate. But even on this forum people were talking about how horrible Bush was as a person until Trump took the baton and ran at light speed.

You are forced to eat grubs for four years, and constantly complain about how horrible it is. Then your diet is switched to shit, and suddenly, the grubs don't seam so bad anymore. This surprises you?

 

[woolfe9998]

And yet he was accused of being just that after Katrina. Huh, go figure.

Good one. You pointed out that somewhere, sometime, someone called Bush a racist. I'm pretty sure every single last POTUS has been accused of being a racist by someone. Including Obama.

It's so easy to maintain your "both sides" delusions when all you have to do is come up with an anecedotal example to prove this odd sameness that you seem to see everywhere you look .

The thing is, I was around and quite politically aware during the Bush years. I heard all manner of criticisms of his administration, both fair and unfair. Racism wasn't one of them. I think if you looked around you'd discover that for every accusation that Bush was a racist, there's a 100 of Trump being a racist. Which to any rational mind would suggest that there is a difference between the two which is causing one to often be labeled a racist while the other only rarely. But don't let that disturb your pathological inclination to blur every distinction and dissolve every important difference between pretty much anyone and everything.

 

[realibrad]

Good one. You pointed out that somewhere, sometime, someone called Bush a racist. I'm pretty sure every single last POTUS has been accused of being a racist by someone. Including Obama.

It's so easy to maintain your "both sides" delusions when all you have to do is come up with an anecedotal example to prove this odd sameness that you seem to see everywhere you look .

The thing is, I was around and quite politically aware during the Bush years. I heard all manner of criticisms of his administration, both fair and unfair. Racism wasn't one of them. I think if you looked around you'd discover that for every accusation that Bush was a racist, there's a 100 of Trump being a racist. Which to any rational mind would suggest that there is a difference between the two which is causing one to often be labeled a racist while the other only rarely. But don't let that disturb your pathological inclination to blur every distinction and dissolve every important difference between pretty much anyone and everything.

Where is this both sides bullshit coming from? Bush was accused of being racist, something that someone seemed to disagree with. Further, it was more than K. West making that claim. Many people were saying that Bush sat on his ass during and after Katrina because it was mostly effecting pool black people.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ibram-x-kendi/would-a-president-trump-m_b_10135836.html
Bush is # 11 of the most racist presidents.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2005/09/an_imperfect_storm.html
"At the heart of the matter is the racial pattern of American constituency politics. I don't think Kanye West can support his view that George W. Bush just doesn't care about black people. But it's a demonstrable matter of fact that Bush doesn't care much about black votes. And that, in the end, may amount to the same thing."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/race-an-issue-in-katrina-response/
"Black people are mad because they feel the reason for the slow response is because those people are black and they didn't support George Bush," said Ron Walters, a professor of government and politics at the University of Maryland. "And I don't expect that feeling to go away anytime soon."

Bush was being called a racist for not helping more after Katrina. Katrina was a shit show and Bush has a massive amount of blame, but he was called a racist then. That article ranking the most racist presidents in history was 2016.

 

[mect]

Where is this both sides bullshit coming from? Bush was accused of being racist, something that someone seemed to disagree with. Further, it was more than K. West making that claim. Many people were saying that Bush sat on his ass during and after Katrina because it was mostly effecting pool black people.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ibram-x-kendi/would-a-president-trump-m_b_10135836.html
Bush is # 11 of the most racist presidents.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2005/09/an_imperfect_storm.html
"At the heart of the matter is the racial pattern of American constituency politics. I don't think Kanye West can support his view that George W. Bush just doesn't care about black people. But it's a demonstrable matter of fact that Bush doesn't care much about black votes. And that, in the end, may amount to the same thing."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/race-an-issue-in-katrina-response/
"Black people are mad because they feel the reason for the slow response is because those people are black and they didn't support George Bush," said Ron Walters, a professor of government and politics at the University of Maryland. "And I don't expect that feeling to go away anytime soon."

Bush was being called a racist for not helping more after Katrina. Katrina was a shit show and Bush has a massive amount of blame, but he was called a racist then. That article ranking the most racist presidents in history was 2016.

I think most people on the left would agree that Bush did things that were racist. But with racism, its not an either or thing. There is a scale of racism, and probably everyone falls somewhere on that scale. And while Bush fell further on the racist side of that scale than many would have liked, he was nowhere near the blatant levels of racism that our current president achieves.

 

[realibrad]

I think most people on the left would agree that Bush did things that were racist. But with racism, its not an either or thing. There is a scale of racism, and probably everyone falls somewhere on that scale. And while Bush fell further on the racist side of that scale than many would have liked, he was nowhere near the blatant levels of racism that our current president achieves.

People like to claim racism, and Bush was claimed to be racist too. People saying otherwise are wrong.

 

[mect]

People like to claim racism, and Bush was claimed to be racist too. People saying otherwise are wrong.

So basically, degrees are too hard, you'll just live in a black and white world.

 

[Jaskalas]

Oh, so the Recovery is over?

Thanks again, Obama!

There you go again. You have no definition to what you are stating.
The market recovered. Official jobless rate recovered. Things are nice and happy and bubbly at the moment.

One has to dig deeper to find Amercia's economic pain under trickle down. And that predates Bush, and has persisted as a disease on the American soul for the past 35 years. Our problems are not defined or shaped by Bush's term as President. The housing crash you attribute to him, that we have "recovered" from. But a far worse economic fate waits for us ahead.

 

[woolfe9998]

Where is this both sides bullshit coming from? Bush was accused of being racist, something that someone seemed to disagree with. Further, it was more than K. West making that claim. Many people were saying that Bush sat on his ass during and after Katrina because it was mostly effecting pool black people.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/ibram-x-kendi/would-a-president-trump-m_b_10135836.html
Bush is # 11 of the most racist presidents.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2005/09/an_imperfect_storm.html
"At the heart of the matter is the racial pattern of American constituency politics. I don't think Kanye West can support his view that George W. Bush just doesn't care about black people. But it's a demonstrable matter of fact that Bush doesn't care much about black votes. And that, in the end, may amount to the same thing."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/race-an-issue-in-katrina-response/
"Black people are mad because they feel the reason for the slow response is because those people are black and they didn't support George Bush," said Ron Walters, a professor of government and politics at the University of Maryland. "And I don't expect that feeling to go away anytime soon."

Bush was being called a racist for not helping more after Katrina. Katrina was a shit show and Bush has a massive amount of blame, but he was called a racist then. That article ranking the most racist presidents in history was 2016.

You've said nothing here to refute my response to your earlier post. Compare the volume of times that Trump has been called a racist to number of times Bush was ever called a racist, and the number of people making the accusation. Similarly with allegations of racism against Obama or any other POTUS. For every POTUS, someone, somewhere, will accuse them of just about anything. Similarly, Obama and Bush were called liars on more than one occasion. But Trump is called a liar on a daily basis. That just may be because there is a difference between Trump and these others which causes him to be accused of these things on a far more frequent basis. Or maybe Trump is the same as these other POTUSES, just like everyone is always the same, right?

Do you realize how pointless it is to even discuss anything with a person who is determined to conflate all distinctions and pretend that no differences exist in this world? Indeed, what is the point in even discussing anything at all if everyone and everything is the same?

 

[feralkid]

There you go again. You have no definition to what you are stating.
The market recovered. Official jobless rate recovered. Things are nice and happy and bubbly at the moment.

One has to dig deeper to find Amercia's economic pain under trickle down. And that predates Bush, and has persisted as a disease on the American soul for the past 35 years. Our problems are not defined or shaped by Bush's term as President. The housing crash you attribute to him, that we have "recovered" from. But a far worse economic fate waits for us ahead.

O.k. let's look at that housing market. Uh-oh, looks like it still has not fully recovered nationally:

https://www.trulia.com/blog/trends/home-value-recovery-2017/


Now let's look at some States that are still suffering from the Great Recession:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-still-haven-t-fully-recovered-from-recession


How's about we look at some individuals?

https://www.usnews.com/news/economy...ericans-havent-recovered-from-great-recession


.

 

[Jhhnn]

O.k. let's look at that housing market. Uh-oh, looks like it still has not fully recovered nationally:

https://www.trulia.com/blog/trends/home-value-recovery-2017/


Now let's look at some States that are still suffering from the Great Recession:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-still-haven-t-fully-recovered-from-recession


How's about we look at some individuals?

https://www.usnews.com/news/economy...ericans-havent-recovered-from-great-recession


.

Pre-recession housing values were an unwarranted speculative peak in many places & not an honest reflection of people's ability to pay in the first place. I don't trust the current rise in Denver prices at all but it's nothing like the bubbly mania they had in places like Las Vegas.

This is my fave graph from the 2016 election-

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MINA

Michigan took it in the shorts all during the bush years, even deeper in the crash, made a big recovery during Obama's tenure (Not good enough!) so they voted for Trump... cuz freedumb, apparently.

 

[HomerJS]

2 things I give Bush credit for...

This

After 9/11 Bush giving speech warning nation we are not at war with Islam. Muslims were being beat up on the streets.

Trump supporters gonna hate this...

Former President George W. Bush said Thursday that “bigotry seems emboldened” in the United States, warning that Americans need to reject “white supremacy.”

A lot of us been sayin' this shit since Trump ran for office.

 

[urvile]

Oh, he is to blame for a great many things. But, he was quite clearly called a racist up until recently. Somehow Bush went from being the Devil on the Right, to an okay guy just calling out how bad Trump is.

As for 9/11 no disagreement.

As for flood plain, some small amount of disagreement. Insurance companies should be able to charge more when people live in higher risk areas. That will mean some poor people cant afford there, but that is just life.

It's good to see trump actually bringing people together for a change. I particularly liked bush's statement about white supremacy being anti american. That's a rabbit hole though.

 

[realibrad]

It's good to see trump actually bringing people together for a change. I particularly liked bush's statement about white supremacy being anti american. That's a rabbit hole though.

Sadly I think I disagree. Its very American in terms of it being a big part of our history. To be fair, its a big part of western history, but all cultures think themselves superior I suppose.

 

[realibrad]

So basically, degrees are too hard, you'll just live in a black and white world.

Absolutely not, and its weird that is your takeaway. People saying Bush was a racist is not a black and white world.

 

[realibrad]

You've said nothing here to refute my response to your earlier post. Compare the volume of times that Trump has been called a racist to number of times Bush was ever called a racist, and the number of people making the accusation. Similarly with allegations of racism against Obama or any other POTUS. For every POTUS, someone, somewhere, will accuse them of just about anything. Similarly, Obama and Bush were called liars on more than one occasion. But Trump is called a liar on a daily basis. That just may be because there is a difference between Trump and these others which causes him to be accused of these things on a far more frequent basis. Or maybe Trump is the same as these other POTUSES, just like everyone is always the same, right?

Do you realize how pointless it is to even discuss anything with a person who is determined to conflate all distinctions and pretend that no differences exist in this world? Indeed, what is the point in even discussing anything at all if everyone and everything is the same?

Nobody is saying they are the exact same, or even close in relative terms. What I am saying is that people used to call Bush racist too, and its a sign that people are far too willing to throw out that term. Hell, people even accused Obama of being racist and that white racism became the foundation of Trump's platform. Far too often people claim racism against people. The comment that started this was someone saying Bush was hardheaded but not racist. I pointed out that people did indeed claim him to be racist. My point was to show that we should be more reserved in throwing around the accusation so as to not diminish its impact. Everyone calling everyone else racist is partly how Trump was able to win.

 

[dank69]

Oh, well that clearly absolves his conscience. I guess we can forget all about his role in this whole mess.

As an aside, how fucking loathsome do you have to be to get called out by GWB?

As for Fox News turning on him, Trump already laid out the framework for that attack during the primary. Why would we listen to a man who failed to stop 911?

 

[HTFOff]

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

Shitlib Mcgee - "WAR CRIMINAL!"

*anti-Trump speech*

Shitlib Mcgee - "WTF I love 43 now!!!1!2!"

You morans.

 

[IronWing]

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

Shitlib Mcgee - "WAR CRIMINAL!"

*anti-Trump speech*

Shitlib Mcgee - "WTF I love 43 now!!!1!2!"

You morans.

Please provide evidence of this shift.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

"MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"

Shitlib Mcgee - "WAR CRIMINAL!"

*anti-Trump speech*

Shitlib Mcgee - "WTF I love 43 now!!!1!2!"

You morans.

Some of us are capable of examining individual actions of a person and evaluating the merits of such, ascribing praise or scorn as each action deserves. You should try it some time lest you remain a part of the problem.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Trump, as bad as he is and as crazy as he talks, has yet to kill hundreds of thousands of people over false pretenses.

Give a fella a chance.