George Bush and Howard Dean: Cut from the same cloth

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Cut from the same cloth

A lesson in blue-blooded political management


THERE is no sorrier branch of literature than the books that presidential candidates write to boost their campaigns. Who now reads Michael Dukakis's ?Creating the Future?? Or Bill Clinton's ?Putting People First?? And who, in six months' time, will read John Kerry's ?A Call to Service?? Or Dennis Kucinich's ?A Prayer for America?? If literary standards count for anything, these sententious tomes should all be consigned to the flames.

Howard Dean's forthcoming campaign biography, ?Winning Back America?, is a slight exception. This is partly because Dr Dean is an unusually interesting candidate: a no-hoper who turned himself into a front-runner by tapping into a rich vein of anger in the body politic. But the book also tells us about Dr Dean's similarity to George Bush.

The most obvious likenesses are draft-dodging and drink. Both men avoided the Vietnam war: Dr Dean failed his army medical with a bad back, but then spent ten months skiing. Both were drinkers: Mr Bush woke up with such a hangover on his 40th birthday that he decided to give up alcohol forever. It turns out that the same is true of Dr Dean. ?When I drank, I would drink a lot and do outrageous things, and then I wouldn't drink again for a while. I realised that what was very funny when you're 18 is not very funny when you're 30.? He woke up with such a hangover after his bachelor party that he too decided just to stop drinking.

The deeper similarity has to do with social background. Both Howard Brush Dean III and George Walker Bush hail from the same White Anglo-Saxon Protestant (Wasp) establishment: a world of blue blood and old money, of private schools and deb balls, of family connections and inherited first names. Their fathers and grandfathers were educated at the same Ivy League university, Yale. One of Mr Bush's grandmothers was a bridesmaid for one of Dr Dean's (they had been at finishing school together). Dr Dean's father worked as a stockbroker at Dean Witter Reynolds, and the young Howard grew up on Hook Pond in East Hampton and on Park Avenue. He was educated at St George's in Newport, a posh boarding school, and then at Yale, where he overlapped for a year with Mr Bush, who had been to Andover.

So why do people with such similar backgrounds have such different political views? Fifty years ago America's Wasps saw eye-to-eye on politics just as much as they did on trust funds and Ivy League universities. Most of them were relatively relaxed Republicans: high-minded and fiscally responsible at home, Atlanticist and Anglophile abroad. The Bushes and Deans were both rooted in this tradition. Mr Bush's grandfather, Prescott (who, incidentally, also went to St George's), was a senator for Connecticut who believed in progressive taxation, internationalism and birth control. Dr Dean's father, ?Big Howard?, managed the campaigns of a Republican congressman, Stuyvesant Wainwright II. His mother wore a dress emblazoned with the word ?Ike? during Eisenhower's re-election bid in 1956.

These moderate Republicans began to lose their grip on the party in the mid-1960s. Dr Dean's first political experience was at the 1964 Republican convention which chose the upstart Barry Goldwater as its candidate. Big Howard had a soft spot for the Arizonan, but the convention in San Francisco, where hundreds of decidedly unWaspish delegates from the South and the west booed Nelson Rockefeller off the stage, was a turning-point. Goldwater's subsequent obliteration by the Democrats gave the Wasps some comfort, but the debates that followed over the Vietnam war and civil rights polarised the country, pushing the Republican Party to the right. Every elected Republican president since then has come from the Sunbelt, and the religious right has pushed all sorts of issues into politics?from abortion to prayer in public schools?that the Wasps thought had no business there.

A handful of blue-bloods continue to uphold the great tradition of progressive Republicanism, Senator Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island being the most conspicuous example. But most of them have had to jump either to the left or the right. George Bush senior was the first Wasp to throw in his lot with Sunbelt Republicanism. The current President Bush's ideology, especially on social issues, is by many measures to the right of Goldwater's. Until recently, Dr Dean might have been cited as a Rockefeller Republican himself, masquerading as a moderate Democratic governor of Vermont. But he has become a national figure only by jumping to the left, espousing campus liberalism, denouncing NAFTA and calling for a wholesale re-regulation of business.

An old order, remade

Have the Wasps been marginalised? The Preppies certainly no longer rule on their own terms. Look at the way Jim Jeffords sank into obscurity when the moderate Vermont senator abandoned Mr Bush's party to become an independent. For a Wasp to get anywhere in politics, he has to put on cowboy boots or Birkenstock sandals. On the other hand, Messrs Bush and Dean also demonstrate the extraordinary adaptability of America's old ruling elite. As David Brooks of the New York Times has pointed out, fancy boarding schools did quite well at turning ?the sons of privilege? into ?paragons of manly virtue?. Eton, which has not turned out a British prime minister for 40 years and may never do so again, should be jealous.

Indeed, the amazing thing about the survival of America's Wasps is why their prominence arouses so little comment. Britain would be on the point of revolution if its election could be caricatured as Eton v Harrow. The 2000 contest between Al Gore and Mr Bush was also a struggle between St Alban's and Andover. Next year, it looks like being Andover v St George's. There is nothing wrong with America's old elite. Whether there is anything wrong with America's commitment to upward mobility is a much more open question.


 

MonstaThrilla

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This article is oh so very important, because here in America we judge people not by the content of their character, but by who's womb they popped out of...
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Zebo

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I'm still reading but so did FDR which every historian agrees is the best president of the 20th century. And obviosly due to FDR and Kennedy this statment is total BS
Fifty years ago America's Wasps saw eye-to-eye on politics just as much as they did on trust funds and Ivy League universities.
 

Zebo

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Overall pretty interesting Dari...(cowboy boots or berkinstocks LOL) Thanks...
 

tallest1

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If you ask me, this article is a pretty desperate attempt at linking the two guys together. Its completely obvious that this guy went rummaging through irrevalent facts just to prove a point that got lost somewhere in that paragraph.

Their fathers and grandfathers were educated at the same Ivy League university, Yale. One of Mr Bush's grandmothers was a bridesmaid for one of Dr Dean's (they had been at finishing school together

OMFG!! Front page news!!!
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Moonbeam

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I, myself, am convinced that no matter now they wiggle or dance, the last few drops go down their pants.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: tallest1
If you ask me, this article is a pretty desperate attempt at linking the two guys together. Its completely obvious that this guy went rummaging through irrevalent facts just to prove a point that got lost somewhere in that paragraph.

Their fathers and grandfathers were educated at the same Ivy League university, Yale. One of Mr Bush's grandmothers was a bridesmaid for one of Dr Dean's (they had been at finishing school together

OMFG!! Front page news!!!
rolleye.gif

You just don't get it, do you? As the article states, and as many have stated countless times here before, Dean isn't really who he claims he is. Until he the Iraq campaign, he was really no different than Kerry.

And Zebo, FDR and Kennedy we're not WASPs, who are considered the descedents from the Mayflower (English). I believe they're both Catholics. Big difference.

 

Moonbeam

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This is wonderful news for Republicans and Democrats alike. A vote for Dean, then, will be a vote for an intelligent Republican who's a Democrat. That's win win for everybody. DUMP THE DUNCE!!!!!!!! VOTE DEAN
 

Martin

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Good article, nice job at pointing out why you need to look at a politician's policies and not his image.

 

MonstaThrilla

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: tallest1
If you ask me, this article is a pretty desperate attempt at linking the two guys together. Its completely obvious that this guy went rummaging through irrevalent facts just to prove a point that got lost somewhere in that paragraph.

Their fathers and grandfathers were educated at the same Ivy League university, Yale. One of Mr Bush's grandmothers was a bridesmaid for one of Dr Dean's (they had been at finishing school together

OMFG!! Front page news!!!
rolleye.gif

You just don't get it, do you? As the article states, and as many have stated countless times here before, Dean isn't really who he claims he is. Until he the Iraq campaign, he was really no different than Kerry.

And Zebo, FDR and Kennedy we're not WASPs, who are considered the descedents from the Mayflower (English). I believe they're both Catholics. Big difference.

This deconstruction is gonna be fun...

Dean isn't really who he claims he is? He claims he's a moderate, fiscal conservative. That's not who he is? He believes in states rights for gun control and concerning civil unions. That's not moderate? His record of balancing budgets for a decade in Vermont somehow goes against his fiscal conservative claims? Or maybe he's lying when he claims he was against the Iraq war? Odd, there's the infamous video of him decrying the Iraq war in early March, days before the strike was launched. The same video when he first mentioned the confederate flag. But he must be pulling wool over our eyes because he's not what he claims to be! He really isn't who he claims to be when in his new book mentioned in that article, he tells us of his rich white boy roots growing up in the Hamptons. But no Dari is right, Dean isn't who he claims he is. Dean isn't who he claims he is because Dari is right, and we are all wrong. Dean really doesn't want all Americans to have health insurance even though in Vermont 98% of the children have it right now, and got it because of his leadership. But no, Dean isn't who he claims he is.

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FDR was a WASP. Kennedy was an Irish Catholic, who grew up rich and prosperous with a WASPy lifestyle. Kerry's a Catholic, and Dean's a WASP, as is Bush. They're all rich white men from rich families. There's not much of a big difference between them in that regard at all...
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: tallest1
If you ask me, this article is a pretty desperate attempt at linking the two guys together. Its completely obvious that this guy went rummaging through irrevalent facts just to prove a point that got lost somewhere in that paragraph.

Their fathers and grandfathers were educated at the same Ivy League university, Yale. One of Mr Bush's grandmothers was a bridesmaid for one of Dr Dean's (they had been at finishing school together

OMFG!! Front page news!!!
rolleye.gif

You just don't get it, do you? As the article states, and as many have stated countless times here before, Dean isn't really who he claims he is. Until he the Iraq campaign, he was really no different than Kerry.

And Zebo, FDR and Kennedy we're not WASPs, who are considered the descedents from the Mayflower (English). I believe they're both Catholics. Big difference.

This deconstruction is gonna be fun...

Dean isn't really who he claims he is? He claims he's a moderate, fiscal conservative. That's not who he is? He believes in states rights for gun control and concerning civil unions. That's not moderate? His record of balancing budgets for a decade in Vermont somehow goes against his fiscal conservative claims? Or maybe he's lying when he claims he was against the Iraq war? Odd, there's the infamous video of him decrying the Iraq war in early March, days before the strike was launched. The same video when he first mentioned the confederate flag. But he must be pulling wool over our eyes because he's not what he claims to be! He really isn't who he claims to be when in his new book mentioned in that article, he tells us of his rich white boy roots growing up in the Hamptons. But no Dari is right, Dean isn't who he claims he is. Dean isn't who he claims he is because Dari is right, and we are all wrong. Dean really doesn't want all Americans to have health insurance even though in Vermont 98% of the children have it right now, and got it because of his leadership. But no, Dean isn't who he claims he is.

rolleye.gif


FDR was a WASP. Kennedy was an Irish Catholic, who grew up rich and prosperous with a WASPy lifestyle. Kerry's a Catholic, and Dean's a WASP, as is Bush. They're all rich white men from rich families. There's not much of a big difference between them in that regard at all...

As for Dean, I meant that he's not the answer to the pinkos that are surrounding him like flies around sh!t.

And he's against the war for all the wrong reason. Dean is pulling a wool over the Volvoistas and traditional Democratic left.
 

Jhhnn

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Interesting how many folks want to attack Dean, in some fashion or another, w/o reference to the actual issues or his position on them. Some characterize him as a dangerous leftist, now we get the bit where he's snowing liberal dems because he's not much different that GWB...

I like it. It means that he's not the guy that the Bushies want to run against, and that's good, very good... Their normal attack labels and the electorate's reaction to such just don't fit.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Interesting how many folks want to attack Dean, in some fashion or another, w/o reference to the actual issues or his position on them. Some characterize him as a dangerous leftist, now we get the bit where he's snowing liberal dems because he's not much different that GWB...

I like it. It means that he's not the guy that the Bushies want to run against, and that's good, very good... Their normal attack labels and the electorate's reaction to such just don't fit.

Are you KIDDING me? Dean is GWB's electoral dream come true. From what my gf is telling me, there is much to (dis)like about the man. But the best thing I like about him is that he's a one-issue candidate.
 

Jhhnn

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Funny, Dean's site lists eleven issues. you know, www.deanforamerica.com. Check out his recent remarks in Florida, for example.

And if he's the dream opponent, why are the Bushies bashing him now? Heck, he hasn't even won the nomination. I figure if the Republicans want him as their opponent, they'd be bashing the other dem hopefuls...

 

Witling

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MonstaThriller. Lots of opinion. Absolutely no reasoning explainig it to those of us who aren't as quick as you are.
 

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I don't care where ya' been but where ya' are now and where ya' goin'.

Some grow, some stagnate, some decline.

Which direction are which candidates headin'?

Git out da' stimpmeter and see how far their balls roll on the political grass in 6 months.

-Robert