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Gentoo vs Ubuntu vs Mandriva

hooflung

Golden Member
I am not going to jump into a huge debate about which distro is better. I am going to simply state my observations of using both and the potential target audiences.

Gentoo
"What stage of Gentoo are you intoo"

I have used this distro and must say that if you are into building your own system or looking for a time investment than look no further. I really would sum Gentoo up as a friendly Linux from Scratch system that helps you, through the community, to understand the inner workings of the Linux Kernel and GNU userspace.

Portage is the package manager and feels like ports from FreeBSD, as it should since it's based off of it. Gentoo is greased lightning in a bottle. If you take away the community then it will strike you down with all its might. This infrastructure to me is similar to the Debian infrastructure.

Once you go Gentoo its hard to look back. If you set your make.conf file up properly you will experience Nirvana on hardware you would probably give up on with many large distros. I really hate to say it but Gentoo has taken Slackware down a few notches.

Ubuntu

I really can't say enough good things about Ubuntu. For a fresh, clean install for someone looking to jump from Windows XP then this is a serious distro. apt-get is far superior to RPM for package management and ofcourse Ubuntu is Debian based. I think Ubuntu succeeds where Linspire/Lindows failed. It is truely easy of use even for the grandmoms ( as long as a grandkid installs it ).

If digging into your Install isn't your thing then Ubuntu is the heavy hitter. It is fast, and for a Gnome install, it is fairly lightweight. Kubuntu exists for KDE zealots. If you want a Debian machine then look nowhere else.

Overall... good stuff.

Mandriva 2k5

I have been a mandriva fan since mandrake 9.0. Quite possibly the best RPM based distro for many reasons such as easy of use, fast, stable-yet-bleeding-edge, pretty, supports vast range of hardware and has a great community. Where Ubuntu is a grass roots movement, Mandriva is a Linux Superpower. Urpmi > yum > Yast imho. Long ago would be Suse users would take up the Mandrake front because of Urpmi's OS nature while Yast was not.

People tend to think of Mandriva as a GUI oriented OS. This is far from the truth actually. Mandriva is quite well at home headless with or without X. Urpmi puts the apt-get into RPM in my oppinion. My biggest problem with RPM distro's are the dependencies that simply do not exist yet are required.

If you want a good RPM distro then this is a one stop shop. It also runs Cedega nicely for people interested in a good gaming rig via Linux/Cedega. At the end of the day I still say its not too different from Fedora Core, Suse, or YellowDog ( for you PPC users ). It shares the same refinement of Suse but the same bleeding edge of Fedora, howerver OpenSuse is aiming to best both.

These observations are my personal oppinions at *this* time. Hope this helps anyone wanting a point in the right direction.
 
Bleh, I have yet to find a distro that automatically detects and sets up my PCMCIA wifi card (M$ MN-520 on Inspiron 4100).

That said, I do like Unbuntu 'cause it's so clean at setup. Gentoo IS fast as hell, but can screw you in the pooch if you don't pay attention. Once Fedora tossed its consumer oriented OS (and FC was in its infancy) I switched to Mandrake/Mandriva and can only agree with you on its merits.

Good picks. :thumbsup:

[edit] ONE distro HAS detected and setup my wifi card correctly, and that's linspire (ironically). But a) I wasn't going to PAY to download otherwise free software, b) I wasn't going to remove their software and install apt-get and basically strip away the one reason for using that debian-based OS and c) for a linux distro and used linusx enough...it was almost too windows-like to be refreshing (probably a good thing ultimately though, promotes that whole OS switchage thing)

[edit2] Oh yeah, the wifi card stopped working after reboot anyway...but I wasn't sure if it was because of ME breaking things trying to remove proprietary junk.
 
im a linux noob and i have played around and installed various distros including the ones mentioned above. I also tried Fedora Core 4 which eventually now stay on my linux box permanently... as a noob, ive found FC4 quite easy to understand and set up / play around with. Overall, i still find linux to have quite a bit of a learning curve but with a distro you like, it becomes fun to learn as you go along.

Good picks
 
I have had a Slackware CD since version 1 but Gentoo is now my OS of choice. Currently rolling a stage 2 on an Nforce 2 2800+ barton w. 512 of DDR400 cas2 @333mhz on a 60gig 2mb cache w. Geforce 4MX 440, gigabit and wifi. WiFi doesn't work without the the windows wrapper but thats ok.

I used to be a big slackie... but gentoo is now the distro with total control.

On another tip... www.smoothwall.org has an excellent router distro that has served me well for well over a year now! If you don't want to jump to linux but are in the market to learn linux and get a netgear/linksys/d.link router then this would cover all aspecs.

cheers.

PS I do have OpenSuse 10 beta 4 for amd64 ready to install on an opteron server to see if there are any differences in scope from the 9 series.
 
Originally posted by: Gooberlx2
Bleh, I have yet to find a distro that automatically detects and sets up my PCMCIA wifi card (M$ MN-520 on Inspiron 4100).

That said, I do like Unbuntu 'cause it's so clean at setup. Gentoo IS fast as hell, but can screw you in the pooch if you don't pay attention. Once Fedora tossed its consumer oriented OS (and FC was in its infancy) I switched to Mandrake/Mandriva and can only agree with you on its merits.

Good picks. :thumbsup:

[edit] ONE distro HAS detected and setup my wifi card correctly, and that's linspire (ironically). But a) I wasn't going to PAY to download otherwise free software, b) I wasn't going to remove their software and install apt-get and basically strip away the one reason for using that debian-based OS and c) for a linux distro and used linusx enough...it was almost too windows-like to be refreshing (probably a good thing ultimately though, promotes that whole OS switchage thing)

[edit2] Oh yeah, the wifi card stopped working after reboot anyway...but I wasn't sure if it was because of ME breaking things trying to remove proprietary junk.

Have you tried Mepis? 🙂
 
Bleh, I have yet to find a distro that automatically detects and sets up my PCMCIA wifi card (M$ MN-520 on Inspiron 4100).

WiFi is very hit or miss, but I would have been surprised if MS picked a wifi chip vendor that wasn't being a bastard with their chip details. Take back the MN-520 and get a RaLink based card, it still won't probably be automatically detected but you won't have to muck with crap like ndisrapper and eventually the rt2500 driver will be in the standard kernels since it's fully GPL'd.

 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Bleh, I have yet to find a distro that automatically detects and sets up my PCMCIA wifi card (M$ MN-520 on Inspiron 4100).

WiFi is very hit or miss, but I would have been surprised if MS picked a wifi chip vendor that wasn't being a bastard with their chip details. Take back the MN-520 and get a RaLink based card, it still won't probably be automatically detected but you won't have to muck with crap like ndisrapper and eventually the rt2500 driver will be in the standard kernels since it's fully GPL'd.

Microsoft MN510 Prism-3 USB
Microsoft MN520 Prism-2.5 PCMCIA

😉
 
Because we know manufacturer's never change chipsets without updating their product's model numbers...

But if the card really is a Prism 2.5 card it'll be one of the best supported for 802.11b. You might just have to tell the PCMCIA stuff to load the prism2 driver (or hostap if that's available) for that particular card.
 
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Bleh, I have yet to find a distro that automatically detects and sets up my PCMCIA wifi card (M$ MN-520 on Inspiron 4100).

WiFi is very hit or miss, but I would have been surprised if MS picked a wifi chip vendor that wasn't being a bastard with their chip details. Take back the MN-520 and get a RaLink based card, it still won't probably be automatically detected but you won't have to muck with crap like ndisrapper and eventually the rt2500 driver will be in the standard kernels since it's fully GPL'd.

Microsoft MN510 Prism-3 USB
Microsoft MN520 Prism-2.5 PCMCIA

😉

I've tried NDISwrapper, modules (tried prism2_cs, orinoco_cs, hostap_cs), kernel modifications, screwed with /etc/pcmcia/whatever.conf , etc.. I actually think it's either my PCMCIA slots and/or the card itself (I've had it for a couple years now) screwing the pooch. Funny though that Windows will still work with it fine. It just beats me. :-/

OTOH, I don't care enough to d!ck around with it enough to make it work either. I've grown tired of it. And I'll probably give the laptop to a family member anyway...so leave it with windows.
 
just try kanotix. It is a live cd distro thats an offshoot of Knoppix which of course is debian based.
Kanotix has some cool wifi tools n stuff.
 
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