Genetically modified food - are you afraid?

Would you eat genetically engineered food which can resist pesticides & be healthier

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Dec 10, 2005
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I saw this article on the NYT about the removal of approval to plant genetically modified sugar beets:

Crops currently in the ground are unaffected by the ruling, which came in a lawsuit organized by the Center for Food Safety, a Washington advocacy group that opposes biotech crops.
This group apparently doesn't like progress in agriculture. There is nothing wrong with genetically engineered crops, we've been doing it in a round-about way since we started domesticating stuff anyway (selecting for desirable traits (sometimes with undesirable ones)). Is putting a gene inside crops that protects them from RoundUp a bad thing? Absolutely not. If you can protect the crops from pesticides, you can grow more in the same area without harming what you're growing. All genetic engineering allows us to do is to enhance our ability to reap more food out of the same amount of space.

As the book Denialism put it, we don't go to the doctor and say "treat me like you would if it was 1805", why do we want to go back to farming like its 1805?
 
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Craig234

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It seems quite possible to me that genetically engineered foods can be done safely; I want strong independent regulation and study, though.

My larger concern is that the genetically modified crops are about establishing business monopoly over our food supply - seeds that require annual 'licenses' to be paid.

This adds large cost, reduces competition, and basically hurts consumers and farmers to help the big seed suppliers, with more harm than good.

I'm not saying don't do genetically modified food (carefully), I'm saying do it with rules that maintain the consumer interests with real competition, regulation etc.

Ensure that a back door to monopoly isn't opened with their maneuvers.
 

Moonbeam

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Frankenfoods are a bad idea. They destroy diversity and assholes claim the seed. You can't save your own seed from this year to plant next year. Assholes are everywhere. The genes have excaped the fields and are found in the wild.
 

Darwin333

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I think our patent process, in regards to this topic at least, is a bunch of bullshit.

Other than that, bring on the frankenfood! I personally want corn on the cob that doesn't get stuck between my teeth and my wife wants garlic that doesn't give me gas. Ooooh, and hamburger buns that don't get all soggy and nasty when you only eat half your burger and stick it in the fridge. Throw in the fries and I might be ok with the monopoly thing.
 

MovingTarget

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I'm not afraid of GM crops, but of the patenting system behind them. Monsanto is quite well known for their near-monopoly on soybeans. Farmers in the US cannot even save their own seeds like we have for most of human history, without being under threat of lawsuit.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I have no problem eating the food, but putting weird genetic material into a wild ecosystem is a concern to me.

The patent thing is also an issue. Even now try growing corn from the last generation. Good luck with that.
 

sandorski

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Afraid? No. Concerned? Yes. There are definitely potential Health risks, but as mentioned the more immediate problem are the Patent and other issues regarding Distribution. I'd prefer these GM Foods be in the Public Domain with No Restrictions to Farmers. That would require Public Funding of R&D though.
 

CanOWorms

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One of the biggest threats to the stability of humanity is the European opposition to genetically modified crops. It's an unacknowledged genocide. How many millions must die for irrational and anti-science reasons?

I can't even imagine what would happen if the US joins the anti-science European crowd. Hopefully this advocacy group is being investigated by intelligence agencies for terrorist connections.
 

Moonbeam

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One of the biggest threats to the stability of humanity is the European opposition to genetically modified crops. It's an unacknowledged genocide. How many millions must die for irrational and anti-science reasons?

I can't even imagine what would happen if the US joins the anti-science European crowd. Hopefully this advocacy group is being investigated by intelligence agencies for terrorist connections.

I'm waiting for human genes in my chicken to make it taste more like pork.
 
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One of the biggest threats to the stability of humanity is the European opposition to genetically modified crops. It's an unacknowledged genocide. How many millions must die for irrational and anti-science reasons?

I can't even imagine what would happen if the US joins the anti-science European crowd. Hopefully this advocacy group is being investigated by intelligence agencies for terrorist connections.

Do you work for the marketing department of Monsanto ?

In the EU studies have been done approximately 15 years ago where the result about bovine growth hormone. Those studies had results indicating that rBGH and the results of rBGH can be found in the milk as well as mastitis . While the Monsanto and the FDA claimed such effects do not happen. rBGH is banned in most of the world but not in the US. Faster maturing girls is happening now ? Better check if rBGH products are not in the diet of those girls.

As such, anything produced by this company Monsanto is carefully looked at.

Unfortunately, bribery of politicians combined with lobbying is still going on. But rBGH is still banned.

To come back of the genetically modified crops. There is a rather large decrease in yields. If this is in correlation with the use of genetic modified crops, remains to be researched. What i do know, is that nature by the use of viruses and bacteria exchange gene fragments from one species to another. And plantlife is also a part of that system. Genes from genetically modified crops can be found everywhere in the wild now. And there have been stories about some farmers who have noticed a decrease in yield since the use of the crops.

I am not against genetic modification to enhance certain desired traits, not at all. But the arrogant behaviour together with the patent system are open passages to abuse of the technology and create situations where the humans are unknowingly poisoning themselves.
 
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CanOWorms

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Do you work for the marketing department of Monsanto ?

In the EU studies have been done approximately 15 years ago where the result about bovine growth hormone. Those studies had results indicating that rBGH and the results of rBGH can be found in the milk as well as mastitis . While the Monsanto and the FDA claimed such effects do not happen. rBGH is banned in most of the world but not in the US. Faster maturing girls is happening now ? Better check if rBGH products are not in the diet of those girls.

As such, anything produced by this company Monsanto is carefully looked at.

Unfortunately, bribery of politicians combined with lobbying is still going on. But rBGH is still banned.

Do you work for the marketing department of the EU?

To come back of the genetically modified crops. There is a rather large decrease in yields. If this is in correlation with the use of genetic modified crops, remains to be researched. What i do know, is that nature by the use of viruses and bacteria exchange gene fragments from one species to another. And plantlife is also a part of that system. Genes from genetically modified crops can be found everywhere in the wild now. And there have been stories about some farmers who have noticed a decrease in yield since the use of the crops.

Sorry, but science trumps your cultural folk tales.

I am not against genetic modification to enhance certain desired traits, not at all. But the arrogant behaviour together with the patent system are open passages to abuse of the technology and create situations where the humans are unknowingly poisoning themselves.

There are crops such as Golden Rice that would satisfy much of your concerns. However, anti-science and pro-genocide attitudes prevent its adoption.

The situation as it is right now is one where humans are KNOWINGLY contributing to the deaths of millions, stagnation of development, etc. by adopting anti-science views.

The science is confirmed. There is a scientific consensus. The effects of denial have been visible for decades.

The science and consensus is more obvious than climate change. And it's affecting us RIGHT NOW. It's easy to change. It would not require billions of dollars/euros to reverse. All you do is plant some seeds and let agricultural imports utilizing the science in. It's so easy.
 

ShawnD1

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Lol at people who think girls maturing faster is caused by cow hormones. The reason people grow faster is because they eat more and have more body fat. Growth hormones are illegal in canada but we still see 12 year olds with huge tits.
 
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Do you work for the marketing department of the EU?
No, i do not. In fact there are many laws, restrictions and political decisions in the EU that i do not approve. However, the EU also has a lot of favourable things going for it as well.

CanOWorms said:
Sorry, but science trumps your cultural folk tales.

Do you not mean that science trumps your lies ?
I only have to look in India.

CanOWorms said:
There are crops such as Golden Rice that would satisfy much of your concerns. However, anti-science and pro-genocide attitudes prevent its adoption.
Your own deceitful behaviour has and have caused such attitude among people who trusted you to be honest.

CanOWorms said:
The situation as it is right now is one where humans are KNOWINGLY contributing to the deaths of millions, stagnation of development, etc. by adopting anti-science views.
That is political and has nothing to do with a lack of food. There is enough food. So much that in the civilized world overweight people throw food away to keep prices up and profits up.
For example have you seen the amount of overweight people in South Africa ? Bit strange is it ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3964693.stm
Developing countries that still have not overcome malnutrition now have to treat people for illnesses caused by them being overweight.


CanOWorms said:
The science is confirmed. There is a scientific consensus. The effects of denial have been visible for decades.

The science and consensus is more obvious than climate change. And it's affecting us RIGHT NOW. It's easy to change. It would not require billions of dollars/euros to reverse. All you do is plant some seeds and let agricultural imports utilizing the science in. It's so easy.

Say hi for me to mr Taylor will you...
 
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Lol at people who think girls maturing faster is caused by cow hormones. The reason people grow faster is because they eat more and have more body fat. Growth hormones are illegal in canada but we still see 12 year olds with huge tits.

Well, one does not exclude the other.

Consuming a growth hormone might have these effects. But a lot of food indeed causes faster maturity. But also do not forget the effects of epi-genetics.

And that these hormones are illegal does not stop them from ever being used in your country. Since when follow people blindly rules ?
 

CanOWorms

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No, i do not. In fact there are many laws, restrictions and political decisions in the EU that i do not approve. However, the EU also has a lot of favourable things going for it as well.

Sure, but its opposition to science is not one of them.

Do you not mean that science trumps your lies ?
I only have to look in India.

Science trumps your lies or tales.

Your own deceitful behaviour has and have caused such attitude among people who trusted you to be honest.

Anti-science lunatics never trusted the scientists. They trust emotion and hatred.

That is political and has nothing to do with a lack of food. There is enough food. So much that in the civilized world overweight people trow food away to keep prices up and profits up.
For example have you seen the amount of overweight people in South Africa ? Bit strange is it ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3964693.stm

Actually, a lot of that thrown away food is genetically modified and thus unusable in many countries because of the EU's hesitation. An African country cannot destroy its access to EU agricultural markets.

This is more than just lack of food, but also lack of nutrition, costs, efficiency, development, etc.

Say hi for me to mr Taylor will you...

I don't know who Mr. Taylor is.

Hundreds of years ago much of Europe was under the domination of the Catholic Church and it tried to suppress science. Right now much of Europe is under the domination of Anti-Science and Pro-Colonialism crazies. Rise up before more damage is done. Overthrow these maniacs.
 

Hacp

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Lol at people who think girls maturing faster is caused by cow hormones. The reason people grow faster is because they eat more and have more body fat. Growth hormones are illegal in canada but we still see 12 year olds with huge tits.

By any chance would the legal age for consent be 12 in Canada?

pedobear_drool.jpg
 

ShawnD1

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By any chance would the legal age for consent be 12 in Canada?

pedobear_drool.jpg

I think its something like legal age is 12 if you are 14, 14 if you are younger than 18, then its 16 if you are 18 or older. Its very confusing lol.
 

Moonbeam

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Do you work for the marketing department of Monsanto ?

In the EU studies have been done approximately 15 years ago where the result about bovine growth hormone. Those studies had results indicating that rBGH and the results of rBGH can be found in the milk as well as mastitis . While the Monsanto and the FDA claimed such effects do not happen. rBGH is banned in most of the world but not in the US. Faster maturing girls is happening now ? Better check if rBGH products are not in the diet of those girls.

As such, anything produced by this company Monsanto is carefully looked at.

Unfortunately, bribery of politicians combined with lobbying is still going on. But rBGH is still banned.

To come back of the genetically modified crops. There is a rather large decrease in yields. If this is in correlation with the use of genetic modified crops, remains to be researched. What i do know, is that nature by the use of viruses and bacteria exchange gene fragments from one species to another. And plantlife is also a part of that system. Genes from genetically modified crops can be found everywhere in the wild now. And there have been stories about some farmers who have noticed a decrease in yield since the use of the crops.

I am not against genetic modification to enhance certain desired traits, not at all. But the arrogant behaviour together with the patent system are open passages to abuse of the technology and create situations where the humans are unknowingly poisoning themselves.

Save your breath, WG, CanOWorms is a raving lunatic and inchoate psycho-Euro-basher.
 
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Sure, but its opposition to science is not one of them.



Science trumps your lies or tales.



Anti-science lunatics never trusted the scientists. They trust emotion and hatred.

Your third sentence fit's you.
You see, doing science does not make someone enlightened or wise. Science is just another tool autistic apes can use. It is how you use science that is important. An aspect many scientists began to understand after the use of the power of the atom. Unfortunately a lot of other scientists did not understand.





Actually, a lot of that thrown away food is genetically modified and thus unusable in many countries because of the EU's hesitation. An African country cannot destroy its access to EU agricultural markets.


You have any proof for these claims ?



This is more than just lack of food, but also lack of nutrition, costs, efficiency, development, etc.

Besides, importing food to countries is just a bandaid and completely wrong if continued just to create a market in the home country where the imported food originated. The people must be self sustaining. As such a mentality change is needed as well, because when there is not much food, people create automatically an fall back attitude : Opportunistic attitude. Which in turn destroys all the good intentions to help people become self sustaining. And it does not help promising people help and afterwards let them rot as is done many times by ignorant and arrogant GOP US politicians in the past and present but as well afcourse by politicians who represent countries in the EU. (But similar politic decisions can also been seen in Asia, the former USSR and in the many countries of Africa .)
But that is all in the realm of politics and philosophy.


I don't know who Mr. Taylor is.

Then you really should not talk about genetic modified crops.



Hundreds of years ago much of Europe was under the domination of the Catholic Church and it tried to suppress science. Right now much of Europe is under the domination of Anti-Science and Pro-Colonialism crazies. Rise up before more damage is done. Overthrow these maniacs.


I once again quote your own response as a response to your statement :
"
Anti-science lunatics never trusted the scientists. They trust emotion and hatred. "
To clarify, you do the same.
 
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Orignal Earl

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Man, it would be a hoot to work with COW.
You could do shit like * WTF Euros say donuts are unhealthy* and COW would be bringing in donuts everyday
Euros only work a 4 hour day, COW would be doing 12
Euros believe everyman should be responsible for his own work, and he would be doing my work in his extra 4 hrs
 
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Do you work for the marketing department of Monsanto ?

In the EU studies have been done approximately 15 years ago where the result about bovine growth hormone. Those studies had results indicating that rBGH and the results of rBGH can be found in the milk as well as mastitis . While the Monsanto and the FDA claimed such effects do not happen. rBGH is banned in most of the world but not in the US. Faster maturing girls is happening now ? Better check if rBGH products are not in the diet of those girls.

As such, anything produced by this company Monsanto is carefully looked at.

Unfortunately, bribery of politicians combined with lobbying is still going on. But rBGH is still banned.

To come back of the genetically modified crops. There is a rather large decrease in yields. If this is in correlation with the use of genetic modified crops, remains to be researched. What i do know, is that nature by the use of viruses and bacteria exchange gene fragments from one species to another. And plantlife is also a part of that system. Genes from genetically modified crops can be found everywhere in the wild now. And there have been stories about some farmers who have noticed a decrease in yield since the use of the crops.

I am not against genetic modification to enhance certain desired traits, not at all. But the arrogant behaviour together with the patent system are open passages to abuse of the technology and create situations where the humans are unknowingly poisoning themselves.

Now hormones are a separate issue. I'd be more worried about those persisting in the food supply than other stuff, just because many animal hormones are similar enough to human hormones to cause a reaction. The developing early thing - probably more to do with body fat and the larger amount of available calories. I took an endocrinology class during my time in school and it did bring up the issue, but stated that the exact signals for the start of puberty in the body were not understood, but if you look at the supply of food in the last 150 years, it has only increased and correlates with a lower start to puberty.

But I'm specifically referring to crops. Things like rice with a Vitamin A gene (which is useful in parts of the world relying on rice and few natural sources of Vitamin A), pesticide resistant plants - so you can grow more and use less pesticides in the same area, etc...

Despite COW's insistence on blaming Europe for everything all the time, what Europe is pushing on Africa in regards to genetic engineering of crops is ridiculous. The book Denialism mentioned that places like Zambia rejected a large shipment of wheat just because it was genetically modified instead of being grown "naturally." Ridiculous when you consider how many people are on the brink of or actually starving.

Is the patent process behind GE food kind of ridiculous? Yes. But am I against the process of making farming better? Absolutely not.

But GE food does offer hope to places in Africa to become self-sufficient. If you can create crops that don't need as much water or can grow in harsher soil, it would be perfect as the arable land in Africa is not that large. Increasing crop yields in the limited amount of space is a good thing. But for some reason, some group (cough Europe cough) likes to keep pushing the idea on a starving continent that GE food is evil and shouldn't be grown.
 

Hacp

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If its cheaper food, I want it. You guys can have your expensive bread and beef. I'll take genetically modified bread and in vitro beef any day of the week if its cheaper. I like cheap meat.