General Zinni sums it up nicely

[Gaard]

This says the same thing Zinni says, but in a lot fewer words.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: conjur
Zinni, that damn liberal traitor, will be interviewed in 15 min. on Hardball on MSNBC (repeated at 11pm EDT)

Finally glad to see you come around conjur. *pats conjur on the back*

I am still trying to figure out if you are a liberal having fun pulling peoples legs, or a psychotic who believes evey you say. Since the former is more appealing, I will pick that

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT. I AM NOT A CLOSET LIBERAL! I LOATHE LIBERALS.

READ THE SIG.

GET EDUCATED!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.



btw: what will it take for you to believe?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Gaard
This says the same thing Zinni says, but in a lot fewer words.

:laugh:

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: conjur
Zinni, that damn liberal traitor, will be interviewed in 15 min. on Hardball on MSNBC (repeated at 11pm EDT)

Finally glad to see you come around conjur. *pats conjur on the back*

I am still trying to figure out if you are a liberal having fun pulling peoples legs, or a psychotic who believes evey you say. Since the former is more appealing, I will pick that

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT. I AM NOT A CLOSET LIBERAL! I LOATHE LIBERALS.

READ THE SIG.

GET EDUCATED!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.



btw: what will it take for you to believe?

You to go away and stop spreading your neo-con trash.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: conjur
Zinni, that damn liberal traitor, will be interviewed in 15 min. on Hardball on MSNBC (repeated at 11pm EDT)

Finally glad to see you come around conjur. *pats conjur on the back*

I am still trying to figure out if you are a liberal having fun pulling peoples legs, or a psychotic who believes evey you say. Since the former is more appealing, I will pick that

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT. I AM NOT A CLOSET LIBERAL! I LOATHE LIBERALS.

READ THE SIG.

GET EDUCATED!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.



btw: what will it take for you to believe?

Dude, you are great! Fausto was right

I won't let the cat get further out of the bag.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: conjur
Zinni, that damn liberal traitor, will be interviewed in 15 min. on Hardball on MSNBC (repeated at 11pm EDT)

Finally glad to see you come around conjur. *pats conjur on the back*

I am still trying to figure out if you are a liberal having fun pulling peoples legs, or a psychotic who believes evey you say. Since the former is more appealing, I will pick that

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT. I AM NOT A CLOSET LIBERAL! I LOATHE LIBERALS.

READ THE SIG.

GET EDUCATED!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.



btw: what will it take for you to believe?

You to go away and stop spreading your neo-con trash.

How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

 

[conjur]

Paraphrasing Zinni: Saddam was not an imminent threat, not a grave and gathering....to anyone who saw the intelligence.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: AcidicFury

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: conjur
Zinni, that damn liberal traitor, will be interviewed in 15 min. on Hardball on MSNBC (repeated at 11pm EDT)

Finally glad to see you come around conjur. *pats conjur on the back*

I am still trying to figure out if you are a liberal having fun pulling peoples legs, or a psychotic who believes evey you say. Since the former is more appealing, I will pick that

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT. I AM NOT A CLOSET LIBERAL! I LOATHE LIBERALS.

READ THE SIG.

GET EDUCATED!

THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE.



btw: what will it take for you to believe?

You to go away and stop spreading your neo-con trash.

How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

Dude, you are the best!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

 

[conjur]

Matthews: Why were Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, Rove, so gullible?

Zinni: I think they wanted to believe it.

 

[AcidicFury]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

'Nuff said.

While you're away, why don't you learn how to debate properly, providing relevant facts besides religious "truth" crap. I, for one, am offended by your holier than thou Christian remarks, and I'm a Catholic.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

He's a ringer.

If I didn't know better I think I could even say who it is, but I wouldn't want to ruin his fun

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

He's a ringer.

If I didn't know better I think I could even say who it is, but I wouldn't want to ruin his fun

Past or current member?

I love guessing games.

 

[conjur]

His join date is 2000, though. This is just an act. An old and tired act.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Explain how under this containment he became more of a threat to America Security than he was prior to the containment!

the containment, ofcourse, more than implied that saddam was already a threat to america, otherwise
why would there be a containment enforced primarily by american forces.

saddam became a greater threat because the sanctions were a total failure. the oil-for-food program
became the oil-for-saddam's-enrichment catastrophe. but before that story broke - and the sordid
details continue to float to the surface - saddam had managed to skirt sanctions against personal
enrichment with his neighbors - while he was skimming the u.n.

turkey, jordan and syria all benefitted from illegal (and unsupervised) cross-border trade, including
oil exports, with the ba'ath party elite.

together he managed to amass billions in illicit profit. now how many palaces can a bloodthirsty
dictator build ? dr. kay discovered clandestine programs buried in secret prison lab complexes
which he suspected were for wmd r/d and efforts at acquiring prohibited missile tech from north
korea (paid in cash by saddam). do you think that saddam was planning for a very special day ?

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

He's a ringer.

If I didn't know better I think I could even say who it is, but I wouldn't want to ruin his fun

I just don't get you guys. Say what? You think I am someone else? My SN used to be 'BOBBY RIBS' but I changed it to Passions. LOL was that your big secret???? LMAO!!! Goto Forum Issues and you can see my request, LOL. You think I'm playing and having "fun?" Okay, think what you will, but I have posted nothing but all my personal views. It's not AN ACT for the LAST TIME!

And Conjur, why don't you leave PN forever if Bush wins. If he loses, I'll leave. What do you say? eh????

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

He's a ringer.

If I didn't know better I think I could even say who it is, but I wouldn't want to ruin his fun

Past or current member?

I love guessing games.

Hehe. I don't want to say.

I might be wrong, and I don't want to put this on someone who is innocent, and neither is it for me to spoil his fun if right.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Passions
How long? I'll stay away from P&N for a week, if that means you believe I'm really not "acting" or "trolling."

All for the sake of TRUTH.

How about until the election? If Bush wins, you can come back and tell us, "I told you so!"

Until then, LOSE THE ACT.

He's a ringer.

If I didn't know better I think I could even say who it is, but I wouldn't want to ruin his fun

Past or current member?

I love guessing games.

Hehe. I don't want to say.

I might be wrong, and I don't want to put this on someone who is innocent, and neither is it for me to spoil his fun if right.

old sn = BOBBY RIBS. :thumbsdown: = YOU!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Explain how under this containment he became more of a threat to America Security than he was prior to the containment!

the containment, ofcourse, more than implied that saddam was already a threat to america, otherwise
why would there be a containment enforced primarily by american forces.

BZZZT! Wrong!

Saddam may have posed a threat to his immediate neighbors and to his own citizens but NEVER to the United States. NEVER.

saddam became a greater threat because the sanctions were a total failure. the oil-for-food program
became the oil-for-saddam's-enrichment catastrophe. but before that story broke - and the sordid
details continue to float to the surface - saddam had managed to skirt sanctions against personal
enrichment with his neighbors - while he was skimming the u.n.

Which is why discussions were underway to modify the sanctions and allow humanitarian aid into the country.

turkey, jordan and syria all benefitted from illegal (and unsupervised) cross-border trade, including
oil exports, with the ba'ath party elite.

together he managed to amass billions in illicit profit. now how many palaces can a bloodthirsty
dictator build ? dr. kay discovered clandestine programs buried in secret prison lab complexes
which he suspected were for wmd r/d and efforts at acquiring prohibited missile tech from north
korea (paid in cash by saddam). do you think that saddam was planning for a very special day ?

Saddam becoming a billionaire was justification to invade the country?

And, you forget that David Kay had this to say just a few weeks ago to Vanity Fair magazine:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/040406/137/2ceq7.html

By the time he resigned in January this year Kay said he had come to believe Iraq did not possess any large stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons when the United States invaded.

"I believe they became incapable after 1998 of really producing a coherent program," he said. "By December I clearly had told everyone that, but it's not true in July."

Vanity Fair reported Kay said he was ready to quit in December but Tenet pleaded with him to stay on because it would look bad if he left early.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: syzygy

the containment, ofcourse, more than implied that saddam was already a threat to america, otherwise
why would there be a containment enforced primarily by american forces.

BZZZT! Wrong!

Saddam may have posed a threat to his immediate neighbors and to his own citizens but NEVER to the United States. NEVER.

funny. very persuasive. you say 'never' so . . . strongly.

saddam became a greater threat because the sanctions were a total failure. the oil-for-food program
became the oil-for-saddam's-enrichment catastrophe. but before that story broke - and the sordid
details continue to float to the surface - saddam had managed to skirt sanctions against personal
enrichment with his neighbors - while he was skimming the u.n.

Which is why discussions were underway to modify the sanctions and allow humanitarian aid into the country.

uh, the humanitarian aid was the oil-for-food program. sorry.

turkey, jordan and syria all benefitted from illegal (and unsupervised) cross-border trade, including
oil exports, with the ba'ath party elite.

together he managed to amass billions in illicit profit. now how many palaces can a bloodthirsty
dictator build ? dr. kay discovered clandestine programs buried in secret prison lab complexes
which he suspected were for wmd r/d and efforts at acquiring prohibited missile tech from north
korea (paid in cash by saddam). do you think that saddam was planning for a very special day ?

saddam becoming a billionaire was justification to invade the country?

oh, i'm sorry. i didn't mean to imply an analogy with bill gates becoming a billionaire, or warren
buffet becoming a billionaire, or george soros, or any other raging bloodthirty capitalist. and if
you thought your critical thinking skills were blazing, below we have . . .

And, you forget that David Kay had this to say just a few weeks ago to Vanity Fair magazine:

By the time he resigned in January this year Kay said he had come to believe Iraq did not possess any large stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons when the United States invaded.

"I believe they became incapable after 1998 of really producing a coherent program," he said. "By December I clearly had told everyone that, but it's not true in July."

i didn't forget that. that statement jibes with his previous comments, reports, and public testimony.
foolishly, you seem to think he disavows his october 2003 report. that report clearly states that
saddam had in operation secret r/d facilities for suspected wmd munitions. large scale programs
and munition stockpiles were proven by him not to exist. i have never claimed anything to the
contrary. thereport also claims that saddam attempted to acquire illegal missile tech from north
korean andit contains the confession of iraqi personnel who stated that saddam would have inevitably
reconstituted his wmd programs. obviously, with so much int'l noise , saddam had to be cautious,
but that does not mean he didn't take risks with his wmd dreams.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: conjur
And, you forget that David Kay had this to say just a few weeks ago to Vanity Fair magazine:

By the time he resigned in January this year Kay said he had come to believe Iraq did not possess any large stockpiles of biological and chemical weapons when the United States invaded.

"I believe they became incapable after 1998 of really producing a coherent program," he said. "By December I clearly had told everyone that, but it's not true in July."

i didn't forget that. that statement jibes with his previous comments, reports, and public testimony.
foolishly, you seem to think he disavows his october 2003 report. that report clearly states that
saddam had in operation secret r/d facilities for suspected wmd munitions. large scale programs
and munition stockpiles were proven by him not to exist. i have never claimed anything to the
contrary. thereport also claims that saddam attempted to acquire illegal missile tech from north
korean andit contains the confession of iraqi personnel who stated that saddam would have inevitably
reconstituted his wmd programs. obviously, with so much int'l noise , saddam had to be cautious,
but that does not mean he didn't take risks with his wmd dreams.

Apparently, you did forget that. You see those words bolded above?

Also, even by the rest of your post Saddam was not an "urgent threat". That's just another lie by this administration.

 

[syzygy]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: syzygy

Originally posted by: conjur

"I believe they became incapable after 1998 of really producing a coherent program," he said. "By December I clearly had told everyone that, but it's not true in July."

i didn't forget that. that statement jibes with his previous comments, reports, and public testimony.
foolishly, you seem to think he disavows his october 2003 report. that report clearly states that
saddam had in operation secret r/d facilities for suspected wmd munitions. large scale programs
and munition stockpiles were proven by him not to exist. i have never claimed anything to the
contrary. thereport also claims that saddam attempted to acquire illegal missile tech from north
korean andit contains the confession of iraqi personnel who stated that saddam would have inevitably
reconstituted his wmd programs. obviously, with so much int'l noise , saddam had to be cautious,
but that does not mean he didn't take risks with his wmd dreams.

Apparently, you did forget that. You see those words bolded above?

Also, even by the rest of your post Saddam was not an "urgent threat". That's just another lie by this administration.

maybe the trouble lies in the english . . . he said 'coherent program'. now what is a coherent
program ? a coherent program is not what dr. kay reported he found . . . clandestine labs
buried in prison lab complexes. a 'coherent program' must then mean the full-scale operations
possessed during the 1980s. so again, dr. kay was being consistent and you need to dig harder.

the urgent threat lies in the fact that saddam continued to possesse the personnel and the money
and enough of the r/d ability to reconstitute his operations if nothing was done to destroy the
ba'ath superstructure. combine this with u.n. impotence, the near certainty blix would have
cleared the ba'ath as cooperative and a virtual non-threat, gives us our urgency to act.

 

[conjur]

To me, coherent would be a workable program. Or, at the least, a program well on the way to being workable.

Kay didn't believe that existed. Kay didn't believe Saddam was on the path to having workable WMD programs.



Urgent calls for immediate attention. It implies something is impending, something is soon to happen. Again, that was not the case with Saddam. With over 100,00 sorties flown during the history of the no-fly zone, not one plane took a single hit. Saddam was powerless and was only antagonizing us.

 

[Format C:]

If you guys cannot understand the difference between reliance on someone who's currently involved in a situation versus someone who used to be but isn't now then you're more stupid than I thought. The real truth though is that you simply don't care. You'd deify the devil himself as long as what he had to say in some way could be used in support of your campaign of hatred toward the military and this administration. I find you intellectually loathesome, despicably shallow, and totally lacking honesty of character.

 

[SuperTool]

Zinni is on Charlie Rose. Says he can't support Bush with current DOD leadership. Says Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz should be fired.