General Praises Speed of Fallujah Success

[Gaard]

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NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq - In April, 2,000 Marines fought for three weeks and failed to take Fallujah from its insurgent defenders. This time, war planners sent six times the troops, who fought their way across the rebel city in just six days ? far more quickly than expected, the Marine general who designed the ground attack said Sunday.

On the one hand, it's nice that our boys didn't have to endure a long drawn-out ordeal to take the city. On the other hand, I could swear Bush used these exact words..."far more quickly than expected"...as an excuse for the bad planning (exit strategy) in the Iraq War. I hope they learned from past 'mistakes'.

I was at the store today and noticed a sign that read "You break it...You bought it." I thought to myself, are they speaking of the knick-knacks or the Iraq War?

 

[Infohawk]

I think there is a wierd element to the US butt-kicking in this war. I think there's a couple options: 1) the Iraqis are not confronting the Americans head on and hence there haven't been any tough decisive battles 2) US infantry tech and tactics really have reached the point where they can dominate 3) The Iraqis are very weak and the US bully is beating up on them for no good reason. I lean towards #3.

 

[conjur]

Well, when the Bush administration played politics by delaying the major offensive until after the elections, it allowed many insurgents to flee Falluja. Perhaps they are now the ones taking over in Mosul and causing problems in Samarra and Ramadi.

 

[arsbanned]

Regrouping elsewhere. They all left before the offensive began. More will be pouring in across the borders. The U.S. does not have the manpower to stop it.

 

[magomago]

Well atleast we used six times the troops as compared with last time~ Regardless lets hope all this crap in Fallujah ends fast and the people can go back into the cities and hopefully get water, electricity and whatever needs to be rebuilt constructed as fast as possible

 

[dahunan]

All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: dahunan
All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

So instead we should go for a strategy of appeasement? Heh.. History shows how well that works out...

Terrorists *must* be killed. There's simply nothing else you can do with them.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: dahunan
All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

So instead we should go for a strategy of appeasement? Heh.. History shows how well that works out...

Terrorists *must* be killed. There's simply nothing else you can do with them.

That might work but how do you know who is terrorists?

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: dahunan
All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

All of them..... :roll:

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: dahunan
All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

So instead we should go for a strategy of appeasement? Heh.. History shows how well that works out...

Terrorists *must* be killed. There's simply nothing else you can do with them.

That might work but how do you know who is terrorists?

Is this a trick question?

They're the ones pointing guns at you.

 

[galperi1]

Sounds eerily similar to the "catostrophic" success we achieved in occupying Iraq.




We all know how that's turned out so far

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: dahunan
All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

So instead we should go for a strategy of appeasement? Heh.. History shows how well that works out...

Terrorists *must* be killed. There's simply nothing else you can do with them.

SO.. IRAQ was a terrorist nation now.. Everyone there was a terrorist?

I think we have killed like 13-15000 people there.. ALL terrorists?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: galperi1
Sounds eerily similar to the "catostrophic" success we achieved in occupying Iraq.




We all know how that's turned out so far

Ya, from day 1(almost) we've been hearing of Quick Victories and whatnot. I think it is becoming increasingly obvious that it isn't the US Military being successful that reults in the rapid "Victories", but most likely the Iraqi insurgents simply not showing up for the Battle. It appears that Saddam and the Insurgents are playing Hide and Seek with the US, though some get caught here and there, the bulk just rides things out to attack again some other day.

 

[Drift3r]

David didn't run up and fight Goliath hand to hand. He was smart and kept his distance and used a hit and run attack with his trusty sling shot. He waited for Goliath to come and stand close enough in range of his sling shot and then he wacked him from a distance. He was not stupid. I don't think for a moment that these insurgents are stupid. They now that they have a good chance of inflicting damage once we get into a static mode and hunker down. Once we start acting like cops patroling the streets of a busy Fallujah that when they will strike.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: galperi1
Sounds eerily similar to the "catostrophic" success we achieved in occupying Iraq.




We all know how that's turned out so far

Ya, from day 1(almost) we've been hearing of Quick Victories and whatnot. I think it is becoming increasingly obvious that it isn't the US Military being successful that reults in the rapid "Victories", but most likely the Iraqi insurgents simply not showing up for the Battle. It appears that Saddam and the Insurgents are playing Hide and Seek with the US, though some get caught here and there, the bulk just rides things out to attack again some other day.

LoL - Saddam ? He's in prison locked up waiting for a trail. You mean the Iraqi Islamic radicals.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's irrelevant. We attack, they regroup. Unless we hold Fallujah forever, they will be back. If we stay there, they will pop up somewhere else. There's enough trouble in Iraq to keep us busy stamping out fires for generations.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: dahunan
All of the murders in fallujah will only CREATE more terrorists out of anger.

So instead we should go for a strategy of appeasement? Heh.. History shows how well that works out...

Terrorists *must* be killed. There's simply nothing else you can do with them.

That might work but how do you know who is terrorists?

Is this a trick question?

They're the ones pointing guns at you.

Little simplistic wouldn't you say. How do you kill the person that pops a few shoots off at our troops then walks away into a crowd. Are you going to kill every one in the crowd or let the terrorist get away? How about some one shooting from a school. Are you going to call in an air strike and kill 50 children to get your one terrorist or are you going to let the terrorist live?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: galperi1
Sounds eerily similar to the "catostrophic" success we achieved in occupying Iraq.




We all know how that's turned out so far

Ya, from day 1(almost) we've been hearing of Quick Victories and whatnot. I think it is becoming increasingly obvious that it isn't the US Military being successful that reults in the rapid "Victories", but most likely the Iraqi insurgents simply not showing up for the Battle. It appears that Saddam and the Insurgents are playing Hide and Seek with the US, though some get caught here and there, the bulk just rides things out to attack again some other day.

LoL - Saddam ? He's in prison locked up waiting for a trail. You mean the Iraqi Islamic radicals.

Saddam is in prison, true. However, the disappearing Iraqi Force was a pattern before that. I suspect that the Strategy was chosen even before the US invaded.

 

[AnImuS]

all these efforts will be useless until we can shutdown the borders.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: AnImuS
all these efforts will be useless until we can shutdown the borders.

all these efforts will be useless until we can start having a more equitable foreign policy.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: AnImuS
all these efforts will be useless until we can shutdown the borders.

We can't even shut down our own borders ! What makes you think we can shut down their borders ??

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: galperi1
Sounds eerily similar to the "catostrophic" success we achieved in occupying Iraq.




We all know how that's turned out so far

Ya, from day 1(almost) we've been hearing of Quick Victories and whatnot. I think it is becoming increasingly obvious that it isn't the US Military being successful that reults in the rapid "Victories", but most likely the Iraqi insurgents simply not showing up for the Battle. It appears that Saddam and the Insurgents are playing Hide and Seek with the US, though some get caught here and there, the bulk just rides things out to attack again some other day.

LoL - Saddam ? He's in prison locked up waiting for a trail. You mean the Iraqi Islamic radicals.

Saddam is in prison, true. However, the disappearing Iraqi Force was a pattern before that. I suspect that the Strategy was chosen even before the US invaded.

Sorry but the guy leading the Sunni insurgents is not a Saddam guy. They may have merged together but their is no longer a push to bring back a Baathist regime or Saddam. They know it's over and done with. In fact they hate Saddam just as much as they hate us. This is a insurgency is lead by religous radicals and nationalist forces who want us out.

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: AnImuS
all these efforts will be useless until we can shutdown the borders.

We can't even shut down our own borders ! What makes you think we can shut down their borders ??

I know we have the Capability to shutdown the borders, but if we have the common sense to is the question.
By shutting down the borders you will have severely cut resources to the enemy. I could care less if it takes 5 years to build a wall that will work, at its current pace this situation can last for generations.

 

[Grunt03]

I would have thought that the Big Fellas learned there lesson. The last time they made such bold statements it can back around and bit them in the butt. Yes they did cover more ground than was expected and they didn't encounter a massive resistance. This alone would be telling me to get ready for a big counter attack.
But hey who am I?
Just a enlisted Marine with 20 years of service right?