General Motors to cut 25,000 jobs

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WILMINGTON, Del. -- General Motors Corp. plans to eliminate 25,000 jobs in the United States by 2008 and close plants as part of a strategy to revive North American business at the world's largest automaker, its chairman said on Tuesday.

Speaking to shareholders at GM's 97th annual shareholder meeting in Delaware, Chairman and Chief Executive Rick Wagoner said the capacity and job cuts should generate annual savings of roughly $2.5 billion. GM now employs 111,000 hourly workers in the United States.

Wagoner revealed the cutbacks as he laid out a four-step strategy to invigorate GM's North American operations, its biggest and most troubling part. Already this year, GM's U.S. market share has fallen from 27 percent a year ago to 25.4 percent, much of the loss at the expense of Asian automakers such as Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co.

Wagoner focused on four priorities: increasing spending on new cars and trucks; clarifying the role of each of GM's eight brands; intensifying efforts to reduce costs and improve quality; and continuing to search for ways to reduce skyrocketing health care expenses.

He noted that health-care expenses add $1,500 to the cost of each GM vehicle. This puts GM at a "significant disadvantage versus foreign-based competitors," Wagoner said. http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0506/07/01-207090.htm
 

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:confused:

are they also doing the "everyone gets an employee discount" thing?
 

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:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.
 

isekii

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.

If you were part of the UAW would you want to give it up ?
 

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My wife's uncle works in their Doraville, GA plant (just inside I-285 near I-85 in Atlanta). Hopefully, his job will be safe since they are making the new Buick and Saturn mini-vans.
 

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.

If you were part of the UAW would you want to give it up ?
No, it's best to bleed GM dry until they have to fire me. THat sounds like the better idea!

 

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so with new savings of 2.5 billion a year they will still loose 3 billon a year instead of 6.... great work gm
 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.

If you were part of the UAW would you want to give it up ?
No, it's best to bleed GM dry until they have to fire me. THat sounds like the better idea!

Exactly. What the UAW doesn't understand is that if GM does go bankrupt, the game is over for everybody. I'd rather give up a few benefits than risk losing everything.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.

If you were part of the UAW would you want to give it up ?
No, it's best to bleed GM dry until they have to fire me. THat sounds like the better idea!

Exactly. What the UAW doesn't understand is that if GM does go bankrupt, the game is over for everybody. I'd rather give up a few benefits than risk losing everything.

Unfortunately, that isn't how most unions look at things. They usually think the company is bluffing (sometimes they are) and then when they close and they lose their jobs, its just "oops. Sorry about that guys." and blame the company anymore.

The Airline industry is another great one, but the companies are also in part to blame by agreeing to some of these outrageous conditions with the union in the first place.
 

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Originally posted by: bernse
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.

If you were part of the UAW would you want to give it up ?
No, it's best to bleed GM dry until they have to fire me. THat sounds like the better idea!

Exactly. What the UAW doesn't understand is that if GM does go bankrupt, the game is over for everybody. I'd rather give up a few benefits than risk losing everything.

Unfortunately, that isn't how most unions look at things. They usually think the company is bluffing (sometimes they are) and then when they close and they lose their jobs, its just "oops. Sorry about that guys." and blame the company anymore.

The Airline industry is another great one, but the companies are also in part to blame by agreeing to some of these outrageous conditions with the union in the first place.

Policies were usually made when the outlook was rosier. I don't think GM could have predicted years ago that the Japanese and Koreans would be such a big force in the market.

Toyota keeps their US plant workers quite happy, and well compensated, all with less cost and higher quality than GM.
 

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Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
that's 100,000 per employee???? WTF are they paying these guys 100,000 for?

They aren't paying them $100,000 per employee. Even though you make say $50,000 there are still additional costs to the company including pension, 401(k), Social Security, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
:thumbsup: Good for GM.

Usually I'm very against job cuts, but UAW doesn't want to give up their lavish health-care and pension benefits, so GM is left with no choice.

 

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Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
that's 100,000 per employee???? WTF are they paying these guys 100,000 for?

Well it's it a combination of things. Benefits are massively huge costs that don't show up on a paycheck. GM could very well be eating up $500-$1000 a MONTH PER EMPLOYEE on health care costs alone depending on the plan and copay's they have.

Plus factor in vacation time, pensions/401k's, social security, unemployment, ect and an employee can be costing a company an equal amount in benefits in what they are costing in straight salary.

Plus in that figure I think they were including the cost savings of closing down the plants/offices that these people worked in.
 

They should stop producing duplicate models, a la the Cavalier/Sunfire, and possibly even shrink their staple brands to just two or three.

My ideal GM would be (here in America):
Chevrolet
GMC (NO Chevy Trucks...just get rid of it)
Pontiac
Holden (bring it over from Australia)
Saab
Hummer

Get rid of Buick, and start consolidating brands, and differentiating those brands that are distinct from each other.
 

OS

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What GM really should do is wait until the beginning of a model year, run the factories at max capacity, build up huge inventories of everything, fire everyone from the UAW, then offer to rehire good workers on a "at will" basis.
 

Originally posted by: OS
What GM really should do is wait until the beginning of a model year, run the factories at max capacity, build up huge inventories of everything, fire everyone from the UAW, then offer to rehire good workers on a "at will" basis.
The NLRB will have their ass on a platter if they do that.
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

Policies were usually made when the outlook was rosier. I don't think GM could have predicted years ago that the Japanese and Koreans would be such a big force in the market.

Toyota keeps their US plant workers quite happy, and well compensated, all with less cost and higher quality than GM.

You're probably right, but surely contracts have come up since the early 80s which is when it was very apparant that the Japanese makers were not going away and Korea was getting serious.

Regardless, serves them right... now they have to clean up the mess. Feel sorry for the families though.. but 'tis the way of living in the global market now.
 

Squisher

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The cut of employees is the outgrowth making GM leaner. They have too many duplicate models.

If they get rid of the duplicates then they can cut the employees and still sell the same amount of cars.

However 25K maybe just being optimistic.




 

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it would be nice to see an american auto maker not lay off workers when profits are down. How about another plan? Ever think outside the box a little? How about inside the box? Maybe a little "fun within the system" even. Let's design some car that people might consider driving! How about benchmarking like a 1998-2002 Accord? Like maybe a midsized car that was equal to the last generation Accord might help a little.
 

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: OS
What GM really should do is wait until the beginning of a model year, run the factories at max capacity, build up huge inventories of everything, fire everyone from the UAW, then offer to rehire good workers on a "at will" basis.
The NLRB will have their ass on a platter if they do that.

What other way can GM shake the union stronghold from their balls? This is ridiculous.
 

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I hope the UAW learns from the mistakes of the airlines unions such as TWA, Pan Am, Eastern. Either give up a few benefits now or wait and lose everything.

For those of you that couldn't believe GM is paying 100K a year per employee, this is how things work at GM. Average salary for one employe = at least $20 to $30/hr, work Saturday = 1.5 times regular pay, work Sunday = 2 times regular pay, work at night shift = extra pay, work in hazardous area = extra pay, cerfified as something such as fork lift operation = extra pay, and on and on. Then you add in the free health care, free on site nurse, free on site health club, 401K, benefits, etc. Those will add up.

I worked with a janitor guy around 55 years old and he told me he made over 100K a year. I didn't believe it until he showed me his year end W-2 and he didn't lie.
 

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Originally posted by: Svnla
I hope the UAW learns from the mistakes of the airlines unions such as TWA, Pan Am, Eastern. Either give up a few benefits now or wait and lose everything.

For those of you that couldn't believe GM is paying 100K a year per employee, this is how things work at GM. Average salary for one employe = at least $20 to $30/hr, work Saturday = 1.5 times regular pay, work Sunday = 2 times regular pay, work at night shift = extra pay, work in hazardous area = extra pay, cerfified as something such as fork lift operation = extra pay, and on and on. Then you add in the free health care, free on site nurse, free on site health club, 401K, benefits, etc. Those will add up.

I worked with a janitor guy around 55 years old and he told me he made over 100K a year. I didn't believe it until he showed me his year end W-2 and he didn't lie.

The UAW might be coming around as suppliers have sought concessions from the UAW, the UAW has acquiesced. Visteon just dropped wages and benefits from $37/hr. to $17/hr. It is just a matter of time before this works itself up the food chain.