General Hayden . . .

[CaptnKirk]

Senate Votes 78-15 in favor


Photo From Confirmation Hearings

And as usual, 7 Senators were missing in action.

Not Voting:

Boxer (D-CA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dole (R-NC)
Inouye (D-HI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Thune (R-SD)

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I wonder if there will be a time in the future where these Senators will feel as betrayed by their confirmation of Hayden as they must feel
with the blow-back from the confirmation of Alberto Gonzales and his authorizing the FBI to go after Congress in their own home court.

 

[Lemon law]

To me its just another sad day----unconstitutional domestic spying wins another round.------beam me up Scotty---no intelligent life down here---but use the anti-spying filter when you beam me up.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Why shouldn't he have been confirmed. It's not like 9/11, the WMD intelligence failure and NSA spying happened on Haydens watch. Oh, wait.......

 

[techs]

If there is ONE constant for the Bush administration it is picking the wrong person for the job.
Based on that alone I am sure Hayden will be a failure.

 

[JackStorm]

Am I the only one disturbed by that fact that a military man was just appointed to head a CIVILIAN agency?

Christ...It's almost as if the executive branch and the Pentagon were trying to take over by slowly worming their way into, or taking over, all the other governmental agencies.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Am I the only one disturbed by that fact that a military man was just appointed to head a CIVILIAN agency?

Christ...It's almost as if the executive branch and the Pentagon were trying to take over by slowly worming their way into, or taking over, all the other governmental agencies.

Actually, military personnel have often led the CIA/NSA. My concern is that Congress isn't bothered by Hayden's poor performance record (9/11, crappy Iraq intelligence etc. etc.). Sure, he knows a lot of stuff. Ken Jennings knows a lot of stuff too. Doesn't mean he should lead the CIA (although he might do a better job).

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Actually, military personnel have often led the CIA/NSA.

They(CIA) have on occasion, yes. But I wouldn't call it often. Either way, it just doesn't sit right with me when they do.

My concern is that Congress isn't bothered by Hayden's poor performance record (9/11, crappy Iraq intelligence etc. etc.). Sure, he knows a lot of stuff. Ken Jennings knows a lot of stuff too. Doesn't mean he should lead the CIA (although he might do a better job).

And lets not forget the warrantless wiretapping. That alone should worry people.

 

[Todd33]

Another Bush yes-man FTW!

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Another Bush yes-man FTW!

 

[zendari]

Good luck to the General in his time serving our country.

 

[Jadow]

Good luck to the General in his time serving our country.

Agreed.

And for the people bashing him about the wiretapping,

1. He didn't pull it out of his butt, he was given orders to create a system, and he did it.

2. Please file suit in federal court against it if you have a problem.

 

[trenchfoot]

from this particular perspective 2008 is a long, long, long time to go.

yet, i guess from bush's and all of his oil scam co-conspirator's perspective, 2008 is approaching way, way, way too fast.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Am I the only one disturbed by that fact that a military man was just appointed to head a CIVILIAN agency?

Christ...It's almost as if the executive branch and the Pentagon were trying to take over by slowly worming their way into, or taking over, all the other governmental agencies.

Actually, military personnel have often led the CIA/NSA. My concern is that Congress isn't bothered by Hayden's poor performance record (9/11, crappy Iraq intelligence etc. etc.). Sure, he knows a lot of stuff. Ken Jennings knows a lot of stuff too. Doesn't mean he should lead the CIA (although he might do a better job).

The director of the NSA is ALWAYS a three-star military guy, actually. The CIA has had quite a number of military directors as well.

 

[trenchfoot]

1. He didn't pull it out of his butt, he was given orders to create a system, and he did it.

i couldn't have made a better argument of why he shouldn't have been confrimed.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: JackStorm
Am I the only one disturbed by that fact that a military man was just appointed to head a CIVILIAN agency?

Christ...It's almost as if the executive branch and the Pentagon were trying to take over by slowly worming their way into, or taking over, all the other governmental agencies.

I don't see any reason why former members of the military should be ineligible for this position.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

And lets not forget the warrantless wiretapping. That alone should worry people.

It's really my only worry.

 

[eilute]

Originally posted by: Jadow
Good luck to the General in his time serving our country.

Agreed.

And for the people bashing him about the wiretapping,

1. He didn't pull it out of his butt, he was given orders to create a system, and he did it.

2. Please file suit in federal court against it if you have a problem.

The NSA is refusing to grant security clearances to those investigating charges against the NSA/telcoms. It might be that the agency is beyond the reach of our law system.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: eilute


The NSA is refusing to grant security clearances to those investigating charges against the NSA/telcoms. It might be that the agency is beyond the reach of our law system.

. . . or placing themselves above the law by manipulating the interpretation of the law to justify their agenda . . . .

I just don't have a warm feeling of honesty from these hacks.

 

[trenchfoot]

. . . or placing themselves above the law by manipulating the interpretation of the law to justify bush's agenda . . . .

i agree with your original statement, but i believe this modified version of your comment is aimed more accurately.

 

[MrTux]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Why shouldn't he have been confirmed. It's not like 9/11, the WMD intelligence failure and NSA spying happened on Haydens watch. Oh, wait.......

The NSA spying stuff is the only thing you can lay on Hayden's lap. If you're looking for who's blame for 9/11 and WMD intelligence failures, look at the FBI and CIA respectively. The NSA did not have anything but perhaps an ancillary roles in these.