Gen. David Petraeus says the burning of Koran would ...

[LumbergTech]

You want a problem handled? Bring our soldiers home.

I didn't want them to go over there in the first place...

 

[LumbergTech]

Muslims burn flags all the time...guess that makes all of them are idiots too...why is it okay for them to burn symbols but they do not want others to do the same? Do they think that they are the only ones allowed to criticize and protest? Why should they get special treatment and the rest of the world cannot?

yes

in general, i believe that setting fire to objects as a protest is ineffective

 

[Infohawk]

yes

in general, i believe that setting fire to objects as a protest is ineffective

Yes to which question?

 

[Infohawk]

Muslim fanatics in Afghanistan are dictating not only what we can do in our own country, But on our own private property. ... And our Liberals. It's sickening and sad.

True.

What liberals on this board are saying: Americans shouldn't do anything that might offend Muslims because Muslims might overreact and kill someone.

What liberals on this board really feel: Foreign Muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, unless those Americans are our political / cultural enemies in which case Islam > Christianity, conservatives.

Reasonable position: Foreign muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, even if what Americans want to do is stupid. This is especially true if its under threat of violence.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Burning a Koran in a way can represent America.

It represents the first amendment.
It represents the freedom to express oneself, to say what one wants to say, no matter what it is.
Burning the Koran can symbolize the 1st amenedment, just like burning a flag.
In America speech is free, you can say what's on your mind, it doesn't matter if you're wrong, it doesn't matter if you're an asshole, you can say what you want.

Burning a Koran is a symbol of that freedom.
It's telling everybody else, we won't be censored, we won't shut up, fuck you!

 

[GuitarDaddy]

I think the Koran burning dude and the ground zero mosque Iman should have a PPV cage match

 

[piasabird]

It is kind of stupid to burn someone's religious book with the intent of causing trouble. Some people may call that a hate crime.

 

[piasabird]

Maybe the relatives of the dead soldiers should sue the pastor of this church. They incited a riot and people died. The soldiers blood is on their hands.

 

[Infohawk]

It is kind of stupid to burn someone's religious book with the intent of causing trouble. Some people may call that a hate crime.

That would never be a hate crime on private property. It brings me solace that you are on the wrong side of this issue.

 

[Infohawk]

Maybe the relatives of the dead soldiers should sue the pastor of this church. They incited a riot and people died. The soldiers blood is on their hands.

The Church's acts do no qualify as inciting a riot by any legal standard. By your logic, families of dead soldiers should be allowed to sue anyone who supported the Iraq invasion.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I think the Koran burning dude and the ground zero mosque Iman should have a PPV cage match

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSDsYmZREwo&feature=related

 

[OCGuy]

Maybe the relatives of the dead soldiers should sue the pastor of this church. They incited a riot and people died. The soldiers blood is on their hands.

You are waaaaay out there man.

 

[LumbergTech]

True.

What liberals on this board are saying: Americans shouldn't do anything that might offend Muslims because Muslims might overreact and kill someone.

What liberals on this board really feel: Foreign Muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, unless those Americans are our political / cultural enemies in which case Islam > Christianity, conservatives.

Reasonable position: Foreign muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, even if what Americans want to do is stupid. This is especially true if its under threat of violence.

I certainly think its acceptable to burn any book you want.

I also think that is stupid to do so because its ineffective.

Should I start burning bibles because I don't like how christians behave?

Should I take out my anger towards certain christians on all christians like a jackass?

 

[Throckmorton]

True.

What liberals on this board are saying: Americans shouldn't do anything that might offend Muslims because Muslims might overreact and kill someone.

What liberals on this board really feel: Foreign Muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, unless those Americans are our political / cultural enemies in which case Islam > Christianity, conservatives.

Reasonable position: Foreign muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, even if what Americans want to do is stupid. This is especially true if its under threat of violence.

How's the weather in North Vietnam, Jane Fonda?

 

[her209]

Even if Patraeus was in support of the Quran burnings, even though he knows we are fighting against Muslim extremists and not the entire religion of Islam, he can't come out and say it without it looking like he's endorsing a Christian Holy War against Islam.

 

[her209]

True.

What liberals on this board are saying: Americans shouldn't do anything that might offend Muslims because Muslims might overreact and kill someone.

What liberals on this board really feel: Foreign Muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, unless those Americans are our political / cultural enemies in which case Islam > Christianity, conservatives.

Reasonable position: Foreign muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, even if what Americans want to do is stupid. This is especially true if its under threat of violence.

ASSume much?

 

[Throckmorton]

Even if Patraeus was in support of the Quran burnings, even though he knows we are fighting against Muslim extremists and not the entire religion of Islam, he can't come out and say it without it looking like he's endorsing a Christian Holy War against Islam.

I don't get what you're trying to say... Without the "even though" part, your statement might make sense.

 

[Jaskalas]

I don't get what you're trying to say... Without the "even though" part, your statement might make sense.

"If he was..." "even though he isn't"... "he can't".

Does that simplify it enough?

 

[her209]

I don't get what you're trying to say... Without the "even though" part, your statement might make sense.

Patraeus knows that we aren't fighting against Islam, but rather Muslim extremists. He may support the Quran burnings, but he can't come out and say it because it may look like he's endorsing a war against Islam to our Muslim allies. In other words, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

 

[Jaskalas]

He may support the Quran burnings, but he can't come out and say it

He is a general, he shouldn't say anything. That's the problem with what he has done.

 

[Throckmorton]

Patraeus knows that we aren't fighting against Islam, but rather Muslim extremists. He may support the Quran burnings, but he can't come out and say it because it may look like he's endorsing a war against Islam to our Muslim allies. In other words, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I don't get the "even though he knows...." part of your statement. How does that relate to not coming out and saying it? Even though he knows we are only at war with extremists he can't make a statement supporting Koran burning? Huh?


I'm not even sure what you're getting at. What would even make it cross your mind that Petraeus "may support Koran burning"? What is the purpose of your post?

 

[Zebo]

True.

What liberals on this board are saying: Americans shouldn't do anything that might offend Muslims because Muslims might overreact and kill someone.

What liberals on this board really feel: Foreign Muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, unless those Americans are our political / cultural enemies in which case Islam > Christianity, conservatives.

Reasonable position: Foreign muslims shouldn't be able to tell anyone in America what to do, even if what Americans want to do is stupid. This is especially true if its under threat of violence.

Very perceptive. I had not thought of that.

 

[her209]

I don't get the "even though he knows...." part of your statement. How does that relate to not coming out and saying it? Even though he knows we are only at war with extremists he can't make a statement supporting Koran burning? Huh?

I'm not even sure what you're getting at. What would even make it cross your mind that Petraeus "may support Koran burning"? What is the purpose of your post?

I don't know how to make it more clear to you.

What do you think the Muslim allies in Afghanistan would think if Patraeus came out and said, "We are fighting Muslim extremists and not Muslims in general, but I support the burning of the Quran as it is a First Amendment right."?

 

[Throckmorton]

I don't know how to make it more clear to you.

What do you think the Muslim allies in Afghanistan would think if Patraeus came out and said, "We are fighting Muslim extremists and not Muslims in general, but I support the burning of the Quran as it is a First Amendment right."?

I think what you are saying here is "Because he knows we are only at war with extremists he can't make a statement supporting Koran burning"

When you say "even though he knows we are fighting against Muslim extremists and not the entire religion of Islam, he can't come out and say it ", that implies that him knowing we are fighting only extremists WOULD allow him to come out in favor of Koran burning EXCEPT for some other circumstances. That makes no sense.

In any case, why would you suggest the possibility that Petraeus would be personally in favor of Koran burning? Do you not know anything about him?

 

[Zebo]

I was just talking to my dad about this...an Irish immigrant and while he was just a child in WW2 he said military and press had anti German songs anti Japanese songs, some even produced by military and Eisenhower did not once come out and say it could endanger troops and STFU. Wonder of General P is praying 5 times a day yet?