I bought a Radeon 8500 LE at newegg for $99. I could never get it running properly in all my games, a big disappointment. It was fast, I hit 8100 in 3DMark 2001, but I was not impressed with the visual quality. I have several Geforce 2's in the house with the low pass filter capacitor mod and they easily equaled the 8500 is 2D and 3D. This little mod makes any Geforce 2 or 3 as good if not better than any Radeon as far as image quality goes. The Radeon has better non-gaming features, but even with the improved catalyst drivers it still is picky to get running right. Sure, alot of people have no problems, but then if you play a wide range of older and newer gaming titles, the Radeon drivers are still not the equal of the Detonators. I am switching to a Geforce 3 Ti 200 for $80 shipped. After implementing the low pass filter capacitor mod and overclocking it, I predict about a 7500 score in 3DMark 2001. I will still have the DX 8 support the Geforce 2 lacks, and equal visual quality for a few bucks less. I will lose 600 pts in 3DMark, but keep the rock solid gaming support I am used to with Nvidia!