GeForce 9800 GX2 Launch Delayed Till 18th March

[Sylvanas]

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And so the speculation starts.....isn't that what we live for in the AT video forum?

 

[BFG10K]

I personally wish nVidia would stop dicking around with this thing and focus their efforts on getting a high-end solution based on a single card sooner.

 

[nRollo]

I liked the

Right now, the card is scoring about 14K+ in 3DMark06, lower than the Radeon HD 3870 X2.

part.

The Ati R6xx parts have always beat the G80/GG90 parts at 3DMark06, I can't really see the people at NVIDIA delaying a product to try and beat them now.

The benchmarks I've seen of this product tell me NVIDIA isn't worried about performance, there are many reasons a delay like this could happen that have nothing to do with 3DMark.

(e.g. component supply problems, delay in building enough to hard launch, etc)

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo
I liked the

Right now, the card is scoring about 14K+ in 3DMark06, lower than the Radeon HD 3870 X2.

part.

The Ati R6xx parts have always beat the G80/GG90 parts at 3DMark06, I can't really see the people at NVIDIA delaying a product to try and beat them now.

The benchmarks I've seen of this product tell me NVIDIA isn't worried about performance, there are many reasons a delay like this could happen that have nothing to do with 3DMark.

(e.g. component supply problems, delay in building enough to hard launch, etc)

they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nRollo
I liked the

Right now, the card is scoring about 14K+ in 3DMark06, lower than the Radeon HD 3870 X2.

part.

The Ati R6xx parts have always beat the G80/GG90 parts at 3DMark06, I can't really see the people at NVIDIA delaying a product to try and beat them now.

The benchmarks I've seen of this product tell me NVIDIA isn't worried about performance, there are many reasons a delay like this could happen that have nothing to do with 3DMark.

(e.g. component supply problems, delay in building enough to hard launch, etc)

OR

Maybe nVidia was lucky with their initial G80... Now maybe they are out of ideas... Hey, could be anything.

 

[apoppin]

it is really hard for me to believe that ... but you never know ...
if they wrote AMD off as 'dead' ... ATi underestimated nvidia and got lazy after r300 [9700p-8900p-9800xt-x800-x850]

G80 was so remarkable ... ? ...

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: apoppin
they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

Based in NVIDIA's previous drivers, I'd guess that it is more a case of drivers than it is hardware.

As far as step-up goes, I don't think NVIDIA bases launch dates on EVGA's step-up. Also, you have to remember that not all cards are available for step-up all the time. EVGA can decide if they have enough of a card to make it available. I don't ever recall seeing the 8800GTX Ultra available for step-up. Just because a card is in stock at evga.com, doesn't mean you can step-up to it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: apoppin
they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

Based in NVIDIA's previous drivers, I'd guess that it is more a case of drivers than it is hardware.

As far as step-up goes, I don't think NVIDIA bases launch dates on EVGA's step-up. Also, you have to remember that not all cards are available for step-up all the time. EVGA can decide if they have enough of a card to make it available. I don't ever recall seeing the 8800GTX Ultra available for step-up. Just because a card is in stock at evga.com, doesn't mean you can step-up to it.

clearly nvidia doesn't do it ... but EVGA's 'timing' over the last few releases has been incredible ---- MOST people buying into EVGA's scam buy it on Day One

... and the first part of my post was 'important' ... that last bit about the step-up was a throw-away 'comment'

[nv]Rollo just confirmed the delay to March 18

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is really hard for me to believe that ... but you never know ...
if they wrote AMD off as 'dead' ... ATi underestimated nvidia and got lazy after r300 [9700p-8900p-9800xt-x800-x850]

G80 was so remarkable ... ? ...

G80 was remarkable, in my eyes. I can only thing of one other time where a graphics card decimated the previous generation. In oblivion, specifically, framerates increase 3-4x that of the last generations high end. In times past, a new card was only around 50% faster than the previous generation. I think the 9700 Pro was the other card that was able to accomplish that.

But, the question is, can nVidia pull another rabit out of their hat? ATi had two blows on their end that helped nVidia IMO 1) Delays in the MFG process and 2) No dedicated AA logic.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is really hard for me to believe that ... but you never know ...
if they wrote AMD off as 'dead' ... ATi underestimated nvidia and got lazy after r300 [9700p-8900p-9800xt-x800-x850]

G80 was so remarkable ... ? ...

G80 was remarkable, in my eyes. I can only thing of one other time where a graphics card decimated the previous generation. In oblivion, specifically, framerates increase 3-4x that of the last generations high end. In times past, a new card was only around 50% faster than the previous generation. I think the 9700 Pro was the other card that was able to accomplish that.

But, the question is, can nVidia pull another rabit out of their hat? ATi had two blows on their end that helped nVidia IMO 1) Delays in the MFG process and 2) No dedicated AA logic.

ATi was in a downward spiral ever since r300 with only a brief 'catch-up' with x1900]. The 9700p was just as remarkable as G80 ... even more so, as it was the first to be such a significant leap over the previous generation r8500 ... nvidia was caught with their pants down and had to respond with a DustBuster probably the *single most embarrassing* event in their history.

ATi was coasting again after x1900 ... or they simply couldn't pull out their "rabbit" with 2900xt ... i am also *guessing* that it was originally a 2900Pro [600/600] .. a decent 'step up' over x1900 but no match for the revolutionary G80's GTX. AMD took over ATi in a sad state ... i believe ATi was about to release their *own DustBuster* - a whining joke.

Fortunately, AMD delayed the XT until they could get it out as a real challenge to the GTS - even then it IS hot ... mine runs in the low 80s while my OC'd Pro runs 20 degrees [C] cooler!
:sun:

Now ... IF nvidia truly is bringing out a next-gen - it is probably not now ... it is likely that they are "respinning" and reworking G80 with "faster and more 'everything'" for their "ultra" and "cheaper everything" for their midrange. i had HOPED that they would get a significant +25-50% performance increase out of their Ultra over their g80 ultra; perhaps my expectations were high or else nvidia is practicing extreme misdirection by presenting their upper midrange - their GTX - as their top card.


at least that is how i am looking at it ... phew!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: apoppin
they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

Based in NVIDIA's previous drivers, I'd guess that it is more a case of drivers than it is hardware.

As far as step-up goes, I don't think NVIDIA bases launch dates on EVGA's step-up. Also, you have to remember that not all cards are available for step-up all the time. EVGA can decide if they have enough of a card to make it available. I don't ever recall seeing the 8800GTX Ultra available for step-up. Just because a card is in stock at evga.com, doesn't mean you can step-up to it.

clearly nvidia doesn't do it ... but EVGA's 'timing' over the last few releases has been incredible ---- MOST people buying into EVGA's scam buy it on Day One

... and the first part of my post was 'important' ... that last bit about the step-up was a throw-away 'comment'

[nv]Rollo just confirmed the delay to March 18

I haven't confirmed anything except that the GX2 will beat the 3870X2 pretty soundly t the games I saw benches for, and that someone in the market for a single slot multi GPU card likely owes it to themselves to wait a bit. (and I doubt that surprises anyone)

The thread said:

And so the speculation starts.....isn't that what we live for in the AT video forum?

so I started speculating.

It's all pretty much a moot point anyway:

BFG wishes they would have allocated the hours put into this to a new single GPU because he doesn't like multi core.
Moot point- they didn't.

VRZone says "It's likely because of 3DMark deficit". OK- if it is, what's the difference to us? If we can't buy them, one reason is as good as another.

 

[pcslookout]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: nRollo
I liked the

Right now, the card is scoring about 14K+ in 3DMark06, lower than the Radeon HD 3870 X2.

part.

The Ati R6xx parts have always beat the G80/GG90 parts at 3DMark06, I can't really see the people at NVIDIA delaying a product to try and beat them now.

The benchmarks I've seen of this product tell me NVIDIA isn't worried about performance, there are many reasons a delay like this could happen that have nothing to do with 3DMark.

(e.g. component supply problems, delay in building enough to hard launch, etc)

they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

:thumbsup:

That is pretty strange but most people say to not use it because it takes forever. I you can't ever be guaranteed something though. It is funny though.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: apoppin
they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

Based in NVIDIA's previous drivers, I'd guess that it is more a case of drivers than it is hardware.

As far as step-up goes, I don't think NVIDIA bases launch dates on EVGA's step-up. Also, you have to remember that not all cards are available for step-up all the time. EVGA can decide if they have enough of a card to make it available. I don't ever recall seeing the 8800GTX Ultra available for step-up. Just because a card is in stock at evga.com, doesn't mean you can step-up to it.

clearly nvidia doesn't do it ... but EVGA's 'timing' over the last few releases has been incredible ---- MOST people buying into EVGA's scam buy it on Day One

... and the first part of my post was 'important' ... that last bit about the step-up was a throw-away 'comment'

[nv]Rollo just confirmed the delay to March 18

I haven't confirmed anything except that the GX2 will beat the 3870X2 pretty soundly t the games I saw benches for, and that someone in the market for a single slot multi GPU card likely owes it to themselves to wait a bit. (and I doubt that surprises anyone)

The thread said:

And so the speculation starts.....isn't that what we live for in the AT video forum?

so I started speculating.

It's all pretty much a moot point anyway:

BFG wishes they would have allocated the hours put into this to a new single GPU because he doesn't like multi core.
Moot point- they didn't.

VRZone says "It's likely because of 3DMark deficit". OK- if it is, what's the difference to us? If we can't buy them, one reason is as good as another.

Must be really good exercise ...
*back peddling*



i am SO close to buying 3 GX2s and a MB March 18 .. a booster PS, a full tower case and 10 fans along with a [22"] 19x12 display - sell 2 GX2s on ebay the next week for $1500 - after staying up 196 hours continuously benchmarking on black coffee and no doze :evil: - and the rest of the equipment will be *free* ... free .. free ... !

:Q



might not work, huh? the stock market is kinda funky right now

 

[nitromullet]

black coffee and no doze

...that explains all the smileys...

 

[angry hampster]

!!!

They must have found out about TulipGTX's spying and decided to change the product.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

black coffee and no doze

...that explains all the smileys...

... actually some of it is from the Vicodin
:laugh:

and it hurts when i laugh - right now
LoL ...ouch ... LoL ... ouch!

RotFL
... ooooWW!!


sorry ... someday i will be over this injury and won't have to keep taking this crap


March 18, huh?

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
!!!

They must have found out about TulipGTX's spying and decided to change the product.

ROFLMFAO!!!

 

[NinjaJedi]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: apoppin
they say "probably due to drivers issue according to partners"

so the delay is *confirmed*? ... thanks!
:Q

March 18? ... a few days after most of the 'Step-up' programs expire
:evil:

i notice you give a possible reason that there may not be enough for a "hard launch" ... is this WHY you said to JUMP and buy it on Day One before?

Based in NVIDIA's previous drivers, I'd guess that it is more a case of drivers than it is hardware.

As far as step-up goes, I don't think NVIDIA bases launch dates on EVGA's step-up. Also, you have to remember that not all cards are available for step-up all the time. EVGA can decide if they have enough of a card to make it available. I don't ever recall seeing the 8800GTX Ultra available for step-up. Just because a card is in stock at evga.com, doesn't mean you can step-up to it.

clearly nvidia doesn't do it ... but EVGA's 'timing' over the last few releases has been incredible ---- MOST people buying into EVGA's scam buy it on Day One

... and the first part of my post was 'important' ... that last bit about the step-up was a throw-away 'comment'

[nv]Rollo just confirmed the delay to March 18

I haven't confirmed anything except that the GX2 will beat the 3870X2 pretty soundly t the games I saw benches for, and that someone in the market for a single slot multi GPU card likely owes it to themselves to wait a bit. (and I doubt that surprises anyone)

The thread said:

And so the speculation starts.....isn't that what we live for in the AT video forum?

so I started speculating.

It's all pretty much a moot point anyway:

BFG wishes they would have allocated the hours put into this to a new single GPU because he doesn't like multi core.
Moot point- they didn't.

VRZone says "It's likely because of 3DMark deficit". OK- if it is, what's the difference to us? If we can't buy them, one reason is as good as another.

There was another thread with a link that listed the supposed price of the GX2 at $600. All I can say if it is that price it better beat it soundly.

 

[kreacher]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I personally wish nVidia would stop dicking around with this thing and focus their efforts on getting a high-end solution based on a single card sooner.

+1

This new policy about multi GPUs being the future and rehashing last gen chipsets (smaller fab process + overclock everything = slightly faster next gen chipset) is BS. Are they trying to push the PC gamers towards consoles?
Give us a proper next gen single GPU solution (a $350 card that plays everything at 60fps with very high quality with AA/AF @ 1680x1050, including Crysis).

 

[Lazlo Panaflex]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: apoppin
it is really hard for me to believe that ... but you never know ...
if they wrote AMD off as 'dead' ... ATi underestimated nvidia and got lazy after r300 [9700p-8900p-9800xt-x800-x850]

G80 was so remarkable ... ? ...

G80 was remarkable, in my eyes. I can only thing of one other time where a graphics card decimated the previous generation. In oblivion, specifically, framerates increase 3-4x that of the last generations high end. In times past, a new card was only around 50% faster than the previous generation. I think the 9700 Pro was the other card that was able to accomplish that.

But, the question is, can nVidia pull another rabit out of their hat? ATi had two blows on their end that helped nVidia IMO 1) Delays in the MFG process and 2) No dedicated AA logic.

ATi was in a downward spiral ever since r300 with only a brief 'catch-up' with x1900]. The 9700p was just as remarkable as G80 ... even more so, as it was the first to be such a significant leap over the previous generation r8500 ... nvidia was caught with their pants down and had to respond with a DustBuster probably the *single most embarrassing* event in their history.

LOL...I belive apoppin is referring to the "Leafblower"...the awesomely bad 5800 Ultra. I hope nobody bought one of those...probably contributed to Global Warming :laugh: