Geforce 9 Series Coming in February 2008

[BFG10K]

I want this thing to be fast (at least 50% faster than my 8800 Ultra) and not SLI based.

Well, I'm not using the on-board audio, I have an X-Fi Of course, in Vista, X-Fi = On-board since I cannot take advantage of EAX.

Install Alchemy to restore said features.

 

[Seraphiel]

Originally posted by: JAG87
who says I cant? not exactly the frame rate I expect... but it works

try SLI is the biggest waste of money ever. you are going to spend 2000 dollars on video cards and use on-board audio? LOL come on buddy..

Crysis is playable with VH settings (forced DX9 XP) @ 2560 * 1600 resolution, unless the performance is worse at later levels than the two first. Just completed them myself at those settings ... did it run smoothly? No. But Crysis isn't unique as a can't-play-that-game-at-maxed-settings/resolution, and I am sure that it isn't even the worse of the lot - at current driver/patch level.

There should be a patch for Crysis, and driver from Nvidia, that'll both strengthen SLI.

I have 2 * XFX 8800 Ultra XXX that had a cost in Denmark of ~1220$ for a single card (you are so lucky in the US, in terms of hardware prices), and even if I added a 3rd card I could still have better sound than onboard audio. My 3007WFP-HC display can take an Audigy 2 ZS Notebook APU, and that is more or less just as good as my current X-Fi, considering the rather poor hi-fi setup I have (I am not an audiophile, and could settle for even less than Audigy 2 ZS).

I seriously consider Tri-SLI, if the scaling matches SLI card-for-card, even though it will cost me another ~1050$. However, besides Crysis there are no games I wanna play currently, that I can't max (AA being the limiting factor ... 32*AA can devastate just about any top-title from 2007), and get overall smooth framerates.

 

[n7]

IMO, these cannot come soon enough.

 

[GeneralOreo]

Well, I'm not using the on-board audio, I have an X-Fi Of course, in Vista, X-Fi = On-board since I cannot take advantage of EAX.

What the hell I thought X-Fi cards didn't have that problem? Or if they did it was a long time ago when Vista first came out?

Install Alchemy to restore said features.

What's Alchemy, is it part of the drivers? I'm really starting to hate PC gaming with all this drivers/incompatibility/etc. crap.

 

[Mech0z]

First off I have no idear of what this step up is. But from I can understand you just need to buy a newer(More expensive card?) and then you get a good price from the old one. Because can't you just stepup to the 8800gts g92 ?

 

[terentenet]

Originally posted by: GeneralOreo

Well, I'm not using the on-board audio, I have an X-Fi Of course, in Vista, X-Fi = On-board since I cannot take advantage of EAX.

What the hell I thought X-Fi cards didn't have that problem? Or if they did it was a long time ago when Vista first came out?

Install Alchemy to restore said features.

What's Alchemy, is it part of the drivers? I'm really starting to hate PC gaming with all this drivers/incompatibility/etc. crap.

I have Alchemy installed, but I still don't feel good. It's not as simple as it used to be with XP, where EAX would work out of the box. Now we have Alchemy to sit on top of the sound layer and make calls to EAX. Those calls are made through the CPU which was the whole point of EAX; to take sound processing off the CPU.
And, Alchemy is just another thing to think about when your game locks or you get a BSOD.

 

[The Keeper]

I doubt the 9 series is coming in the first quarter of 2008. Nvidia and ATI just now released new cards and Nvidia is supposed to release a new mainstream card in the 1st quarter to compete with 3850, still a D8M (G92) more than likely. Both Nvidia and ATI have effectively killed off sales of their older cards with these new cards. I really doubt they have planned to replace the recently released cards in less than ~6 months.

I have limited understanding of their business practices, but I doubt it is cost effective for them to initially produce only D9E parts and months later release D9E and D9M since the market share lies in the last two. And 2-3 month product life time for 8800GT/GTS doesn't sound practical or cost effective.

Even if rumors fly and say it is February, I still believe the true next-gen cards are coming either late 1st half or early 2nd half of 2008.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: The Keeper
I doubt the 9 series is coming in the first quarter of 2009. Nvidia and ATI just now released new cards and Nvidia is supposed to release a new mainstream card in the 1st quarter to compete with 3850, still a D8M (G92) more than likely. Both Nvidia and ATI have effectively killed off sales of their older cards with these new cards. I really doubt they have planned to replace the recently released cards in less than ~6 months.

I have limited understanding of their business practices, but I doubt it is cost effective for them to initially produce only D9E parts and months later release D9E and D9M since the market share lies in the last two. And 2-3 month product life time for 8800GT/GTS doesn't sound practical or cost effective.

Even if rumors fly and say it is February, I still believe the true next-gen cards are coming either late 1st half or early 2nd half of 2009.

I'm assuming that you meant 2008, not 2009.... no way is nVidia going to wait another year to release a new high-end card.

I think that, if these rumors are true, the launch will be just a high-end card in the $500 price range. By then, the 8800GT should have settled in the $200-$250 range and the new 8800GTS 512MB will be out for $299. However, nVidia will need a card (or perhaps two) for the $400+ price range. Releasing a "9800GTX" for $500 is not going to make $200-$300 cards obsolete. When nVidia launched the high-end 7800GT/X, they did not release new cards for below $400 until half a year later in 2006....the 6800GS and 6600GT still filled that spot till the 7600GT came along.

 

[The Keeper]

Haha, that's what I get for doing some schedules for year 2009. It got stuck on me while I typed that post, of course I meant 2008. 😀

 

[ronnn]

If it is true that the 8800gt and coming gts are not cost effective, than a quick new release makes sense. I realize that is a big if and margins tend to be a very complicated thing, but current shortages could reflect production problems. I am hoping for a new release that whips the current generation - as there isn't a card out there worth $500 with the gt at $220 or so. Ati seems to be assuming that the future will be duo gpu's..., but the dead weight of amd is pulling them down.

 

[BFG10K]

What the hell I thought X-Fi cards didn't have that problem? Or if they did it was a long time ago when Vista first came out?

All sound cards will have the problem because the problem stems from Vista removing the necessary HAL. However Creative are the only ones who have created a wrapper to work around the issue.

What's Alchemy, is it part of the drivers?

No, you need to install it separately and you'll find it on Creative's website.

I have Alchemy installed, but I still don't feel good. It's not as simple as it used to be with XP, where EAX would work out of the box. Now we have Alchemy to sit on top of the sound layer and make calls to EAX. Those calls are made through the CPU which was the whole point of EAX; to take sound processing off the CPU.

A very valid point.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: The Keeper
I doubt the 9 series is coming in the first quarter of 2008. Nvidia and ATI just now released new cards and Nvidia is supposed to release a new mainstream card in the 1st quarter to compete with 3850, still a D8M (G92) more than likely. Both Nvidia and ATI have effectively killed off sales of their older cards with these new cards. I really doubt they have planned to replace the recently released cards in less than ~6 months.

I have limited understanding of their business practices, but I doubt it is cost effective for them to initially produce only D9E parts and months later release D9E and D9M since the market share lies in the last two. And 2-3 month product life time for 8800GT/GTS doesn't sound practical or cost effective.

Even if rumors fly and say it is February, I still believe the true next-gen cards are coming either late 1st half or early 2nd half of 2008.

Or, it's just Nvidia testing out their 65nm design. Could be why we are seeing so few G92's. The same thing should happen with the G92 GTS. Limited supply. They needed to get rid of the cores, so they slapped them on a 79xx series PCB and sent them on their way. This is just my speculation of course. I didn't read this anywhere. But I have a feeling this is what's happening.

 

[clickynext]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bacstar
What a bummer. Knowing my luck, my 90-day Step-up will have expired by that time if this rumor proves to be true.

what luck? 😛
😕

haven't you noticed it is *intentional*
:Q

of course ... get everyone to buy a GT/GTS-2 and then make them upgrade again in 120 days

think pavlov's dog

*ding* ... drool ... upgrade ... more drool

Haha, I like that reference.

 

[bryanW1995]

it is starting to look more and more like nvidia simply wasn't prepared to launch 8800gt yet. they need to either ramp up production ASAP or they risk losing all of their market share gains of the past year. a possible (and perhaps even likely) alternative is that they DO have a better card in the works but it's 3-4 months out. They could keep fans waiting a little while longer, waiting for 8800gt to drop in price...then WHAM out comes D9P at $150 with better perf than 8800gt and tons of cards available. They must have SOMETHING up their sleeve with all the money they've made over the past year... of course, we all felt the same thing about AMD with A64, and look where that got them 🙁

 

[PCTC2]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986
mm , you know the G92 are already out : )

All the G9 series will bring would be DX10.1/SM4.1. They will increase Shader unit and maybe the rop/texture unit which equals a 8900GTX.

G92 is not D9 series. It is still designated as D8, so that is why it is not called the 9800GT. It is still just a die shrink of the G8x series.

 

[SniperDaws]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
it is starting to look more and more like nvidia simply wasn't prepared to launch 8800gt yet. they need to either ramp up production ASAP or they risk losing all of their market share gains of the past year. a possible (and perhaps even likely) alternative is that they DO have a better card in the works but it's 3-4 months out. They could keep fans waiting a little while longer, waiting for 8800gt to drop in price...then WHAM out comes D9P at $150 with better perf than 8800gt and tons of cards available. They must have SOMETHING up their sleeve with all the money they've made over the past year... of course, we all felt the same thing about AMD with A64, and look where that got them 🙁

Did you get your system sorted ?

i just want a new card now and i cant get hold of an 8800GT for the right price and the ATI HD 3870 is out of stock 🙂

 

[Hauk]

Originally posted by: clickynext

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Bacstar
What a bummer. Knowing my luck, my 90-day Step-up will have expired by that time if this rumor proves to be true.

what luck? 😛
😕

haven't you noticed it is *intentional*
:Q

of course ... get everyone to buy a GT/GTS-2 and then make them upgrade again in 120 days

think pavlov's dog

*ding* ... drool ... upgrade ... more drool

Haha, I like that reference.

And right on target...

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: SniperDaws

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
it is starting to look more and more like nvidia simply wasn't prepared to launch 8800gt yet. they need to either ramp up production ASAP or they risk losing all of their market share gains of the past year. a possible (and perhaps even likely) alternative is that they DO have a better card in the works but it's 3-4 months out. They could keep fans waiting a little while longer, waiting for 8800gt to drop in price...then WHAM out comes D9P at $150 with better perf than 8800gt and tons of cards available. They must have SOMETHING up their sleeve with all the money they've made over the past year... of course, we all felt the same thing about AMD with A64, and look where that got them 🙁

Did you get your system sorted ?

i just want a new card now and i cant get hold of an 8800GT for the right price and the ATI HD 3870 is out of stock 🙂

I rma'd the ballistix so I'm limping along on a 1 gb backup stick at 8x375 for now. the 3870 is great, ran everything at 860/2662 until the crysis fixpack, had to back down to 860/2602 after that.

they have a 512mb 3850 OC at newegg for 215 shipped right now, try that. It even has a dual slot cooler! http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814241068