Geforce 7800 series - AGP dead?

[diablo900t]

Does anyone know if there are plans for a Geforce 7800 AGP card on the market? I'm guessing that AGP is as good as dead as far as the new video card market goes.

 

[orangat]

I'll bet there will be at least a cut down version of the 7800 series for AGP if not the GT/GTX. It might depend on whether Radeon releases something for 520 in agp.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: orangat
I'll bet there will be at least a cut down version of the 7800 series for AGP if not the GT/GTX. It might depend on whether Radeon releases something for 520 in agp.

You mean ATI...

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: orangat
I'll bet there will be at least a cut down version of the 7800 series for AGP if not the GT/GTX. It might depend on whether Radeon releases something for 520 in agp.

You mean ATI...

Probably but at least you understand what he is saying

 

[imported_Kensai]

No AGP 7800 series card yet.. I hear they have one planned though.

 

[danklumpp]

Don't understand why Nvidia would make AGP versions. We're talking two generations since AGP was standard.

 

[Killrose]

AGP does not sell SLi capable nForce4 motherboards = DEAD

Can't wait for that ULi motherboard :thumbsup:

 

[MX2]

Originally posted by: Killrose
AGP does not sell SLi capable nForce4 motherboards = DEAD

Can't wait for that ULi motherboard :thumbsup:

Is it true that one 7800 GTX will outpace two 6800's in SLI?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: MX2times

Originally posted by: Killrose
AGP does not sell SLi capable nForce4 motherboards = DEAD

Can't wait for that ULi motherboard :thumbsup:

Is it true that one 7800 GTX will outpace two 6800's in SLI?

Depends. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

 

[Marsumane]

AGP is far from dead. Time is not the factor that determines if a perticular slot is dead. MAYBE next gen... if it gets here in a timely fashion will kill agp but for you pci-e fanboys, i wouldnt cross my fingers.

Why? Why isnt ddr dead? Because ddr2 isnt needed yet. Same with pci-e. Bandwidth isnt needed and theres a cheap way to make the agp cards and the market still exists so why not?

-My guess is 2007 we will see only older or low-end of the new gpu lineup in agp flavor.

 

[theMan]

yeah, it will especially at higher resolutions.

 

[Damien2101]

Yeah, as far as I'm aware as of yet we can't fully saturate an 8x AGP slot, therefore making SLi truly nothing more than a waste of money until we can. Futureproofing, at best, from what I can tell. Sadness if there's no 7800 AGP!

 

[Fenuxx]

Originally posted by: danklumpp
Don't understand why Nvidia would make AGP versions. We're talking two generations since AGP was standard.

Actually, last-gen was AGP standard (GF6, X800), as they were launched in AGP form, and later used a bridge chip to convert to PCI-E

As far as that goes, what if you're in the boat I'm in? I bought a top-of-the-line nForce3 board months before PCI-E was around for AMD. Sure, I knew that it would eventually become standard, but even a couple of months after nForce4's launch, boards with them were no where to be found, so why should I have to bite the bullet when there's nothing wrong with AGP?

The best you PCI-E fanboys can muster is that "AGP doesn't support SLi so it sucks"? Give me a break. nForce3 has all of the same technology as nForce4, but it isn't PCI-E. Big deal. Its just simply NVIDIA trying to force their "New World Order" on everyone. There is no reason not to make AGP cards, as there is a MUCH larger market in AGP than there is in PCI-E, period.

 

[imported_g33k]

Originally posted by: geforcetony

Originally posted by: danklumpp
Don't understand why Nvidia would make AGP versions. We're talking two generations since AGP was standard.

Actually, last-gen was AGP standard (GF6, X800), as they were launched in AGP form, and later used a bridge chip to convert to PCI-E

As far as that goes, what if you're in the boat I'm in? I bought a top-of-the-line nForce3 board months before PCI-E was around for AMD. Sure, I knew that it would eventually become standard, but even a couple of months after nForce4's launch, boards with them were no where to be found, so why should I have to bite the bullet when there's nothing wrong with AGP?

The best you PCI-E fanboys can muster is that "AGP doesn't support SLi so it sucks"? Give me a break. nForce3 has all of the same technology as nForce4, but it isn't PCI-E. Big deal. Its just simply NVIDIA trying to force their "New World Order" on everyone. There is no reason not to make AGP cards, as there is a MUCH larger market in AGP than there is in PCI-E, period.

Agreed, bring on an AGP 7800gtx already!

 

[Reddogzzz]

This is a Petition to Nvidia requesting an AGP version of there 7800 GTX
Nvidia will be seeing this so if there are enough signatures on this petition then they will see that there is in fact a demand and produce the card "But if users are persuading enough, NVIDIA and its board partners would have no problems offering an AGP counterpart to the PCIe version."

http://www.petitiononline.com/7800AGP/petition.html
All you need to do is provide a name and an email address which is privet

"An insider today confirmed that NVIDIA has no plans to offer an AGP version of the 7800 GTX *currently*, but it all depends on the demand. The reason is not because the 7800 GTX couldn?t be ported over to the AGP standard architecturally, but NVIDIA just *doesn?t see the demand* anymore. But if users are persuading enough, NVIDIA and its board partners would have no problems offering an AGP counterpart to the PCIe version."
Source from:
http://www.cooltechzone.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=1463&Itemid=0

 

[compgeek89]

Originally posted by: Marsumane
AGP is far from dead. Time is not the factor that determines if a perticular slot is dead. MAYBE next gen... if it gets here in a timely fashion will kill agp but for you pci-e fanboys, i wouldnt cross my fingers.

Why? Why isnt ddr dead? Because ddr2 isnt needed yet. Same with pci-e. Bandwidth isnt needed and theres a cheap way to make the agp cards and the market still exists so why not?

-My guess is 2007 we will see only older or low-end of the new gpu lineup in agp flavor.

Its not that DDR2 isnt needed at all, but its ridiculously high latencies outweigh its clockspeed advantage. PCIe doesnt have a disadvantage.

 

[knyghtbyte]

i like the way people miss the point here....these companies are here to make money, they couldnt give a rats ass if you just bought an nforce3 before the pci-e nforce 4 came out.......this way they double their money as u have to upgrade the mobo as well as the graphics card...lol....unless of course they get such a staggering amount of people who will only use an AGP card, then they will bring one out if its profitable, if it isnt they wont bother....

the biggest boys in the business (ie whole PC manufacturers like Dell) want to sell new computers with PCI-E in it....gives them a new lure to use to hook the unknowing....but also to hook the more knowing.....at least you know if you dont wanna risk building your own PC you can buy a Dell thats future proof for the next however many years....buying an AGP computer will mean u aint gonna be upgrading your graphics very much....

lets face it, if your a serious gamer then a 6800U or X850XT will be enough to keep CS:Sing for the next few years, and will play new games without too much problem for the couple years, albeit you'll gradually turn down the options towards the second year end....then you can upgrade to PCI-E

 

[MustISO]

Originally posted by: Reddogzzz
This is a Petition to Nvidia requesting an AGP version of there 7800 GTX
Nvidia will be seeing this so if there are enough signatures on this petition then they will see that there is in fact a demand and produce the card "But if users are persuading enough, NVIDIA and its board partners would have no problems offering an AGP counterpart to the PCIe version."

http://www.petitiononline.com/7800AGP/petition.html
All you need to do is provide a name and an email address which is privet

I just signed the petition. I know this is an post but I really want to be able to upgrade my video card without replacing my mobo. C'mon Nvidia!

 

[Ronin]

*smacks his head*

If you know it's been brought up before, why bring it up again?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: danklumpp
Don't understand why Nvidia would make AGP versions. We're talking two generations since AGP was standard.

the 6800/x800 were mostly AGP . . . this is the first gan to be "All PCIe" and no high-end AGP.

i still believe we will see a x1800 in AGP . . . there already is a $10 bridge chip to 'convert' it . . . it depends if ATI senses demand . . . perhaps Sapphire will pull it off . . . or one of the other partners . . . they aren't as restricted as nVidia partners.

if not, it looks like an x800xtpe for me or a x1600xt superO'Cer . . . i ain't in a hurry to play FEAR . . . first is Serious Sam2, Bloodlines, KotOR II and Quake IV . . . by THEN, it will be clear and we won't have to bring this up again . . . except for me to say toldyaso.

:roll:

 

[moonboy403]

didn't nvidia announce that they won't make agp out of 7 series?
lol....that's the reason why i upgraded to pcie

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: moonboy403
didn't nvidia announce that they won't make agp out of 7 series?
lol....that's the reason why i upgraded to pcie

no . . . they actually said they would not make any AGP 7800GTXes and GTs unless there was demand.

someone started an online petition
:roll:

 

[moonboy403]

oh yea...i remember i signed for it too!!

 

[A554SS1N]

If anyone bought AGP motherboards this year (i.e. NF3) over PCI-E then that's their own problem for not doing their research - I already planned on getting PCI-Express for a new rig around the time of the first 6600GT reviews last year (about september 2004), as I could see it was a new standard and that is where things were heading.... to those who bought a little before that, say early 2004, you have every right to be a little peeved... there are still some fairly high end cards for AGP available though?? Considering I'm happy with a 6600GT right now for gaming, I take it that people with 6800GT's and X800XL's or higher in AGP form don't really need to upgrade, unless you're the type that spends lots on cards anyway, in which case, I say why not wait a little longer by a few months and get dual-core systems with PCI-express.

 

[jisc123]

I have no problems with the adoption to PCI-e but the sudden transition was overwhelming. I built my computer a year ago when PCI-e was just coming out. Since then I've upgraded to a new mobo. For all of you who say oo just upgrade to PCI-e you have to think rationally. PCI-e is a lot newer than you make it out to be and there are a lot of people with 1yr+ old computers that would like to upgrade their video cards. AGP is dying, but probably at a more rapid pace than necessary. I can only think that it's cutting into their profit margins.