GeForce 6200 OC PCI

[Shadow Conception]

Well, as of right now, I'm stuck on a Dell Dimension 3000 with no PCI-e or AGP slots, and as you can see in my sig, I have a Radeon 9250. I'm thinking of upgrading to a GeForce 6200 OC PCI, as I don't have the money required to get a new PC.

Even if I were to upgrade my current PC, I'd have to buy a new mobo (with PCI-e), processor (no way in hell I'm getting another socket 478 CPU, and be stuck with it), video card, and case, all of which totals out to around $400+.

So, what I want to know, is it worth an upgrade to the 6200? Don't give me the "just get a new computer, save up" bullshit, I don't have the capability of doing that right now.

The 6200 OC has Shader Model 3.0 (mine only has 1.4), Vista-ready, Aero Compatible (mine isn't, again, it only has Pixel Shader 1.4), and higher clocks (I believe the core clock is 350MHz, 110MHz faster than my Radeon 9250).

I also think if I were to get a new fan for this (Zalman VF900?), I would be able to clock it even higher (yes, I know, I'm trying to overclock a factory overclocked product ). Am I right in this?

Oh, and this quote an "e-friend" gave me at another forum. He took my suggestion and bought the GeForce 6200 OC PCI from Best Buy:

Scon you have an old radeon card right? Remember the PCI card geforce 6200 that you advised I should get? Well I got it and I can run HL2 at highest, and Oblivion at medium/high. I just downloaded just cause and got 10 fps with highest

Maybe you should consider it heh.

This has me set on the card, considering it can actually play Oblivion at all. Perhaps it does at 640x480, but that's better than my current card; it has no chance at playing the game. My card even struggles to play Just Cause at everything turned off at 640x480 (I get 15-20FPS). I can run HL2 and CS:S at 800x600 with everything maxed out, but I've been dying to try HDR on these games, something which, unfortunately, my Radeon 9250 doesn't support due to it's incapabilities with shader models.

I think it'd be a great jump, as I recieved my Vista Beta 2 a few weeks ago, and want to try it out, but Aero isn't supported by my card, so I don't think it's worth it. But the GeForce 6200 OC opens up whole new possibilities, so I want to know: is it worth an upgrade from my Radeon 9250? Are there any sites that have actually tested and benched the PCI version of this card?

I need answers, because I need to know if the $150 I'm spending won't go to waste.

Oh, and here's the link to the card:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp...p=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1130987962366

 

[DaveSimmons]

Sweet creeping zombie jesus, the AGP and PCI-E versions of that card sell for $30 - $40, and that's about what it's worth.

Newegg only carries fx5500 cards like this for $59:
$59 fx5500 core 290/ mem 400?
BFG Tech BFGR55256OCP Geforce FX5500 256MB DDR PCI Video Card- Retail
Item #: N82E16814143059

... but in your shoes I'd try pricewatch / pricegrabber / froogle to try to find the 6200 under $100 in PCI, that price is insane.

> also think if I were to get a new fan for this (Zalman VF900?), I would be able to clock it even higher
At that point ($200?) you should sell the Dell and get a $200 sempron system from Hot Deals or the Sunday paper, with built-in nvidia 6100 graphics, then add a real video card later.

 

[Shadow Conception]

A friend of mine had the FX5500. It broke after a year, and he got the Radeon 9250 afterwards. He said that it performed much better than his old FX5500, I believe the RAMDAC of that card was 350MHz, whereas the 9250's was 400MHz. Although, it could just be placebo

I think it's so costly due to the difficulty of making it in PCI bus, could be wrong, though. This card is the best card available for PCI, though.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Outpost.com has a refurb Sempron 3200+ system for $230, with onboard graphics plus a PCI-E slot.

Swap the RAM from your Dell for the 256MB it comes with, then sell your Dell on eBay.

 

[Shadow Conception]

Does it support dual-slot cards, such as the X1900XT, etc?

Isn't it also a bit of a bad idea to go with 939 and 754? AMD's supposed to stop making CPUs for them this December, no?

I personally like this:

http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4891060?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

LGA775, which means there's room for upgradeability, a PCI-e slot, and a 200GB HDD. The only downside is that the CPU has only 533MHz as an FSB. Mine has 800MHz with HT enabled =\

But the question above still supplies. Does it support dual-slot cards? Not SLI or Crossfire, I mean the expansion slots in the back of the case.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception
Does it support dual-slot cards, such as the X1900XT, etc?

Isn't it also a bit of a bad idea to go with 939 and 754? AMD's supposed to stop making CPUs for them this December, no?

So what, it's better than spending $150+ on a $30 graphics card.

It's also much more future proof since the Sempron is fast enough for at least a midrange card like a 7600GT.

A $400 socket 939 build would be a better choice but you seem to have a budget limit of around $180.

 

[Shadow Conception]

You have to understand that I'd be stuck in the same situation that I am in right now. Why pay $xxx for a computer that isn't going to be upgradeable in a matter of months? Why pay for something that locks you into what you have, and nothing more (or much greater). This is the situation that is presented to me by buying this Dell. Now, the CPU is upgradeable, but only a matter of 600MHz, since it's Socket 478, and I seriously doubt that if I upgrade to a 939 rig, if I want to upgrade the CPU, my choices will be limited, just like PCI's situation. No dual-core CPUs, either; I'd have to upgrade to an LGA775 mobo for that. Almost no feasible graphics cards on the market. The highest end card is terribly overpriced, but people buy it knowing that it's the best they can do without buying a new computer. That's probably why BFG Tech has overpriced it so much. Just look at gas prices in the United States. They've been soaring for almost 2-3 years now, yet we can't do anything about it. We must silently obey and pay up, because we need it to get proper transportation from place-to-place.

I had no idea of the incapabilities of my Dimension 3000 when I got it. Now I'm paying the true price for my actions, and regret them fully.

And if I were to get the Sempron 3200+, wouldn't it be a downgrade from my current CPU? I need a computer that's more effective than my current one, not one that sacrifices power to get a PCI-e slot, although that may be a bit impossible under $600.

 

[unfalliblekrutch]

the pci 6200 went for around $50 on newegg awhile back, IIRC. If you're paying 150 for it...don't.

 

[Shadow Conception]

They don't stock it anymore, and that version had several problems with drivers and video playback. It's only advised that you get the 256MB, 128-bit version that BFG Tech is offering =/

At least, that's what the reviews stated when I was looking at them several months ago.

 

[dawza]

The 3D Fuzion 6200 PCI was available for $30-35 a month or so ago, but seems to be unavailable as of now. Pretty much identical specs to the OC version, except for 128mb of onboard RAM as opposed to 256, and perhaps slightly lowered clocks.

I suppose if you really want to stick with your current system, then yes, the 6200OC is the best PCI card you can buy- although that is not saying much. I don't think I could live with myself knowing that I overspent by 5x, though.

DaveSimmons pretty much hit everything point-on; if you are limited to PCI and want to play modern games, it would be wiser to save your money for a PCIe-based system. If the 6200 were still on sale for $30, I would say go for it, as it is always nice to have an additional card for troubleshooting, more monitors, etc- plus, you could easily sell the card for close to what you paid for it. But at $150 . . ouch. That's pretty much permitting yourself to be rectally violated by a pack of wild gorillas. Repeatedly.

Dual-slot cards refer to the number of slots the card physically occupies- so long as you have the correct interface (which in the case of the X1900XT would be PCIe), you will be OK, whether you are using an LGA775, 754, 939, etc. system. The card still only plugs into a single PCIe slot, but the cooler may extend into the next slot, hence the term "dual slot."

Edit: Both the 128mb and 256mb 6200 PCI versions have a 64-bit memory interface. . .so yeah, you really don't want to be paying an additional $120 for 128mb of memory that most likely will not even be a limiting factor with the weak 6200 GPU.

The 3D Fuzion PCI card works fine for me for 2D video playback with the 84.21 drivers. I primarily use the card to drive a third monitor, so I have no idea about 3D work.

 

[DaveSimmons]

I'm just saying the $150-180 is a bad choice for a tiny jump in graphics power.

A crossgrade to a Sempron leaves you with perhaps a slightly slower CPU but allows for a huge improvement in graphics power.

I wouldn't buy either myself, I'd keep saving up for a real upgrade, but if you feel a need to do something buying something like the Sempron or a barebones from the FS/FT forum seems like a less awful choice.

 

[Shadow Conception]

Originally posted by: dawza
The 3D Fuzion 6200 PCI was available for $30-35 a month or so ago, but seems to be unavailable as of now. Pretty much identical specs to the OC version, except for 128mb of onboard RAM as opposed to 256, and perhaps slightly lowered clocks.

I suppose if you really want to stick with your current system, then yes, the 6200OC is the best PCI card you can buy- although that is not saying much. I don't think I could live with myself knowing that I overspent by 5x, though.

DaveSimmons pretty much hit everything point-on; if you are limited to PCI and want to play modern games, it would be wiser to save your money for a PCIe-based system. If the 6200 were still on sale for $30, I would say go for it, as it is always nice to have an additional card for troubleshooting, more monitors, etc- plus, you could easily sell the card for close to what you paid for it. But at $150 . . ouch. That's pretty much permitting yourself to be rectally violated by a pack of wild gorillas. Repeatedly.

Dual-slot cards refer to the number of slots the card physically occupies- so long as you have the correct interface (which in the case of the X1900XT would be PCIe), you will be OK, whether you are using an LGA775, 754, 939, etc. system. The card still only plugs into a single PCIe slot, but the cooler may extend into the next slot, hence the term "dual slot."

Edit: Both the 128mb and 256mb 6200 PCI versions have a 64-bit memory interface. . .so yeah, you really don't want to be paying an additional $120 for 128mb of memory that most likely will not even be a limiting factor with the weak 6200 GPU.

The 3D Fuzion PCI card works fine for me for 2D video playback with the 84.21 drivers. I primarily use the card to drive a third monitor, so I have no idea about 3D work.

Yes, I know that, I'm only asking if the actual case (Compaq computer, 3.06GHz HT) has enough expansion slots in the back of the case to actually occupy the dual-slot cards.

Hmm, the 6200 is beginning to look less attractive, now. I always thought it had a 128-bit interface.

The Compaq looks plausible at the price it's listed at, I just need to know if the actual case itself supports dual-slot cards.

And if it doesn't, wouldn't I just be able to drop 50 bucks on a Cooler Master Centurion case? Or is the motherboard proprietary, like Dell's is?

 

[AmdInside]

The Geforce 6200 PCI is going to be much faster than the GeforceFX 5500. I don't think I would upgrade if I had your system. I would just save my money and purchase a new computer asap.

 

[Icepick]

Originally posted by: AmdInside
The Geforce 6200 PCI is going to be much faster than the GeforceFX 5500. I don't think I would upgrade if I had your system. I would just save my money and purchase a new computer asap.

Sorry, but, after reading through this thread that's my opinion on this matter too. That PC is not worth dumping another dime into. It's time to cut your losses son. All you need is to save up another couple of hundred bucks to get into a nice, upgradeable system.

Do you have a birthday coming up? Tell people that you're in desperate need of a new computer for school and to please give you cash towards the PC instead of gifts.

Christmas is right around the corner. If you're still trying to upgrade or buy a new PC then apply the same strategy.

Tell Mom & Dad, aunts & uncles, grandparents, neighbors that you are willing to go out and rake lawns (fall is coming ) for money for a decent PC. When people see you busting your ass they're hearts will warm and they're wallets will open.

 

[unfalliblekrutch]

Also, keep in mind you can ebay your old components if you upgrade your mobo/cpu/etc to get a pcie slot.

 

[TanisHalfElven]

a proper socket AM2 rig can be built for 160. heres how.

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i imagine you have a hdd, dvd, psu otherwise get a cheap psu (10 bucks).
the 6100 has all the features of the 6200 OC , is slightly slower buit the mobo allows you to add a 50 bucks gfx card (pci-E) that would run cricles arounf the 150 bucks 6200

 

[happy medium]

Here ya go 6200pci http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dl...e&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&fgtp=


Can you overclock a pci card?

 

[Shadow Conception]

Yes, I've overclocked my Radeon 9250.

@tanishalfelven: Sure you can build a proper AM2 system for $160, but I have a feeling that the case isn't built to last. And downgrading 3 quarters of a gig isn't really worth getting a PCI-e card, imo, where Vista is just on the horizon and we have memory-hungry games like Battlefield 2.

And the Sempron looks like it's been built to bottleneck with a 7300GS

It's a start, I'll see what more I can add onto what you built. Thanks