Geforce 6 series video processor OFFICIAL THREAD PART2

[tooltime]

i've only bought ati brand...brand whore here i guess. but i really want to try a geforce

 

[302efi]

Its nice to see this thread turned into a BBQ as well as the last one

 

[xtknight]

On the back of the Leadtek 6800 NU I got yesterday it still says it has encode on it. I can't believe manufacturers haven't taken notice of this crap and at least gotten it off of the box by now! Maybe this means I can sue Leadtek .

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: xtknight
On the back of the Leadtek 6800 NU I got yesterday it still says it has encode on it. I can't believe manufacturers haven't taken notice of this crap and at least gotten it off of the box by now! Maybe this means I can sue Leadtek .

It depends on when the box was made and how long has it been sitting on the shelves...

 

[housecat]

i just ordered a 6800 (seriously), what magic spell do i have to cast to get my purevideo working.

or will my 3.46ghz p4 EE handle it just fine?

i doubt i'll lose sleep over it if it doesnt.

 

[carage]

Originally posted by: housecat
i just ordered a 6800 (seriously), what magic spell do i have to cast to get my purevideo working.

or will my 3.46ghz p4 EE handle it just fine?

i doubt i'll lose sleep over it if it doesnt.

It's a matter of principle.
They claimed to have a feature but never really delivered.
I have an AthlonFX-55, so my PC can handle WMV-HD regardless of the VPE.
However, even if it saves 10% CPU cycles it is still helpful, and this is something that nVidia claimed they will deliver and now say they will never deliver.
The matter is that nVidia failed to deliver a feature on their advertisement and product information.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: housecat
thats a zinger.

unfortunately, im still correct about this issue. no nvidia press release has announced its going to work. the mods locked two other threads on it.
end of story, theres nothing going on here but us flaming each other. in fact, if we stop.. this thread will die. thats how dead this issue is. so you should thank us for stopping this thread from sinking to page 29 within a day, you're getting alot more attention to the matter than you would.

not that its doing much.

That's not quite true Housecat. As long as nVidia keeps revising their drivers, the people who want to keep this thread alive will keep on pointlessly posting, "WTF?! I tried the new drivers, it still doesn't work!".

How can you blame them with all this "conflicting information" available? You know, there is that one story from a Russian website and the checkbox in Rivatuner!

We need to get to the bottom of this mystery Housecat! nVidia telling us it will never work is just the beginning, haven't you seen the "X Files"?

Also, nVidia has not publicly admitted that it does not work. They have tried to hide the feature even though it was advertised from day 0 at the paper release. NVidia even admitted the feature was present to me on the phone, but could not tell me the degree of offload it had in relation to WMV-HD as I asked that question specifically. So, because there is nothing definitive, chaos. If nVidia would step forward and do a voluntary recall to a like card (not a better card) or offer a coupon, they might side step this. But then, that would be admitting that they did make the mistake in the first place.

History - I was working on a project for a 50 unit 46" LCD HD Video 'Wall' that was going to use 720p and eventually 1080i WMV-HD video as part of the presentation (HD standard that was chosen). We were expecting the business to eventually try to have more than one display window running on each display (customers are like that, they figure out more stuff to do and test the system - orginal spec said 'no audio' and I laughed and included a CL Audigy 2 as I KNEW that they would eventually figure out that video without audio can be really flat). So, any card that did even a little WMV-HD decode was goodness. Ended up with one X800 instead because of availability. Then the project was cancelled. But hey, we have a nice MCE 2005 demonstrator to test HD panels with.

 

[nRollo]

Yeah sure GSellis- they'll do a recall and give everyone a new card. Of course:
1. 99% don't care about this at all, but I bet all the people OCing the life out of their cards would love a fresh one on nVidia
2. You're never given a new car when one peripheral feature doesn't work, but you should get a whole new video card because it doesn't accelerate encode or encode/decode of WMV. Sure, I bet nVidia is planning to give us all new 6800UE cards with the new PVP just to make up for our suffering!
3. "So, because there is nothing definitive, chaos. " For most of us, that chart on nVidia's website that say what features are supported on what cores is pretty definitive. There is no "chaos" - most of us realize that after 8 months of trying to get those features working, for them to put that chart on their website is a pretty good indication it doesn't work?

The only people who think there is any question about this are people like you who just want to keep talking about it, pointlessly.

 

[Creig]

1. Doesn't matter of 99% don't care. If you're one of the 1% who DO care, then it's an issue.
2. I doubt a new video card is going to happen, but some sort of discount coupon for a future Nvidia card would be a nice gesture, don't you think? Oh wait, I forgot. According to Nvidia, there IS no problem.
3. Yes, Nvidia's PR department should be congratulated on the stellar job they're doing to satisfy the customers who actually expected to receive a card that functions as it was advertised to.


And then, of course, there are the people like you who ALSO want to just keep talking about it, pointlessly.

 

[gsellis]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yeah sure GSellis- they'll do a recall and give everyone a new card. Of course:
1. 99% don't care about this at all, but I bet all the people OCing the life out of their cards would love a fresh one on nVidia
2. You're never given a new car when one peripheral feature doesn't work, but you should get a whole new video card because it doesn't accelerate encode or encode/decode of WMV. Sure, I bet nVidia is planning to give us all new 6800UE cards with the new PVP just to make up for our suffering!
3. "So, because there is nothing definitive, chaos. " For most of us, that chart on nVidia's website that say what features are supported on what cores is pretty definitive. There is no "chaos" - most of us realize that after 8 months of trying to get those features working, for them to put that chart on their website is a pretty good indication it doesn't work?

The only people who think there is any question about this are people like you who just want to keep talking about it, pointlessly.

Yes, there is chaos. Right here. That is what I was referring to. Sorry if that was not clear.

As for #2, there are product liability and lemon laws that cover such by region (yes, you can get a new car if a feature does not work - this varies by state in the US). A voluntary, limited recall would then circumvent a civil action.

Frankly, I do not care nor would I have any redress. I was not harmed as I do not own one. I was just adding to the discussion in the reasonable portions. I would like to own a card that is as fast as the 6800, but that feature is missing and I do not yet trust it on the X800 either. So, I do not own either in my editor even though I would have a significant benefit from the GPU and memory size/bandwidth. Unfortunately, a 6600 is better than what I have, but is not what I need to support 1080 editing. Than again, having taken a paycut and no bonus this year due to economic factors in our industry, I cannot get the camera yet either.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
1. Doesn't matter of 99% don't care. If you're one of the 1% who DO care, then it's an issue.
2. I doubt a new video card is going to happen, but some sort of discount coupon for a future Nvidia card would be a nice gesture, don't you think? Oh wait, I forgot. According to Nvidia, there IS no problem.
3. Yes, Nvidia's PR department should be congratulated on the stellar job they're doing to satisfy the customers who actually expected to receive a card that functions as it was advertised to.


And then, of course, there are the people like you who ALSO want to just keep talking about it, pointlessly.

Creig- I can guarantee you I'd rather I never laid eyes on this issue.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
1. Doesn't matter of 99% don't care. If you're one of the 1% who DO care, then it's an issue.
2. I doubt a new video card is going to happen, but some sort of discount coupon for a future Nvidia card would be a nice gesture, don't you think? Oh wait, I forgot. According to Nvidia, there IS no problem.
3. Yes, Nvidia's PR department should be congratulated on the stellar job they're doing to satisfy the customers who actually expected to receive a card that functions as it was advertised to.


And then, of course, there are the people like you who ALSO want to just keep talking about it, pointlessly.

Creig- I can guarantee you I'd rather I never laid eyes on this issue.

So why do you continue to post in here? Why do you feel compelled to continually harass those members who show displeasure in this situation?

 

[tenren]

I have BFG 6800 GT AGP on A64 3200+ and I found this tool that seem to help.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951

It is a PCI latency tool and I followed the instructions and set the latency for the card to 64 and turned on the "Fast Writes". I went from ~99% CPU util. to ~70% for HD Step into liquid trailer. So you guys might want to try it out and see if it helps.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: tenren
I have BFG 6800 GT AGP on A64 3200+ and I found this tool that seem to help.

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951

It is a PCI latency tool and I followed the instructions and set the latency for the card to 64 and turned on the "Fast Writes". I went from ~99% CPU util. to ~70% for HD Step into liquid trailer. So you guys might want to try it out and see if it helps.

The latency is an interesting concept, I wonder if it helps? We have known for many months though that fastwrites on is a must for non P4HT users to get smooth playback.

 

[LTC8K6]

Those of you who purchased a 6800 card that you believe to be defective regarding the PVP, here's your cue:

ABIT Class action capacitor suit.

That's what you've got to do.

 

[Avalon]

:shocked:
Good lord...

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: Avalon
:shocked:
Good lord...

Uh, yeah! :thumbsdown:

 

[wraith3k]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
We have known for many months though that fastwrites on is a must for non P4HT users to get smooth playback.

Which is extremely unfortunate, as having fastwrites on causes massive stuttering problems in 3d games. On a related note, if I leave it turned on in the bios all the time, and use RivaTuner to turn it on and off, will this work just as well as if I were turning it on and off in the bios? I ask because it'd be alot more convenient to do it through a utility whenever I need to switch it, rather than having to reboot to the bios each time.

If it can be done this way, I'll have to give it a shot with it turned on and see if it helps on my system.

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Those of you who purchased a 6800 card that you believe to be defective regarding the PVP, here's your cue:

ABIT Class action capacitor suit.

That's what you've got to do.

I thought the same thing when I read that article. nVidia certainly deserves the same consequence, and I'lll be more than happy to jump on the bandwagon when it comes by. Perhaps this will give pause to companies who deceptively advertise features as a finished product when in fact it's not and will never be.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: jjzelinski

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Those of you who purchased a 6800 card that you believe to be defective regarding the PVP, here's your cue:

ABIT Class action capacitor suit.

That's what you've got to do.

I thought the same thing when I read that article. nVidia certainly deserves the same consequence, and I'lll be more than happy to jump on the bandwagon when it comes by. Perhaps this will give pause to companies who deceptively advertise features as a finished product when in fact it's not and will never be.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He has loosed the fateful lightening of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish`d rows of steel,
"As ye deal with my contemners, So with you my grace shall deal;"
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

:roll:

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

So why do you continue to post in here? Why do you feel compelled to continually harass those members who show displeasure in this situation?

Two sides to every issue Creig.

While you're giving the perspective of 9500NP owners who are concerned about 6800 PVP functionality, I'm giving the perspective of 6800 owners who aren't.

:beer:

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig

So why do you continue to post in here? Why do you feel compelled to continually harass those members who show displeasure in this situation?

Two sides to every issue Creig.

While you're giving the perspective of 9500NP owners who are concerned about 6800 PVP functionality, I'm giving the perspective of 6800 owners who aren't.

:beer:

Maybe you should drop by SharkyExtreme and say "Hi!" to everyone.

 

[James3shin]

isn't sharky where they condone people returning cards to BB if card A doesn't oc well? either way, NV will not care *(in terms of the PVP being broken/left out).

 

[Creig]

I don't believe they condone it no matter what *some* people will insist on telling you.

 

[James3shin]

thats cool, i haven't been there, i like the AT community...as for this PVP thing, isn't it like beating a dead horse to some extent? I can understand that a group of customers are upset, but is holding a grudge going to help?