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imhungry

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Which card would be better for running old generation games on a backup for a backup :)]) computer?

Specs are...
dimension 4600
intel 865g chipset
2.66 ghz P4
512 mb ram

My two main choices are...
the Ti4200
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications...tem-details.asp?EdpNo=495593&CatId=877 (OEM, it comes with the heatsink or not?)
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the FX5500
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130197 .
(BUT, how would the evga compare to the chaintech http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814145076 , or is the Chaintech also 128-bit?)

I might go for the fx5700le as well, because I heard they are MONSTER overclockers...(over 100% OC on the cores in some cases).
If you can give a better suggestion for...under $80, go ahead.
 
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rstrohkirch

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under $80:

you could pickup a 9700pro off ebay for about $60-70shipped if you want to buy used/refurb

you could buy a refurbed 9600pro/xt off newegg or other sites for about $55-70 shipped if you want something with a little better (though short) warranty

if neither of those works for you then get the ti4200 as it's a faster card in dx8 games
 
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4200 all the way. The only FX series I would run is maybe a 5900.
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That's not very helpful.

ANY 5800/5900 would be a HUGE step up from a 4200?
 
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5600 is oka but was no match dfor 9600xt
5750 is better than 9600xt but not faster than 9500pro
5500 i don't remember the score
4200 can't play bf2 so i would end up getting 5500 if it had shader 2.0
 
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The 4200 will eat it alive. The 5700 is an OK upgrade from a 4200. But your best bet if i had to choose from the FX series, is the 5900XT (or NU).

The 4200 is a DAMN FINE card. The FX series on the other hand is pretty pathetic :p

-Kevin
 
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64mb Ti4200 = way outdated

take your money to the FS/FT forum, you should be able to find a 9700pro/9800pro for around $80
 
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imhungry

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Ahh, so the ATi4200 kills all of those?
The only thing is that I'd probably want to run some AA / AF, and from some benchmarks, I saw that the Geforce 5 ran these better...

but do Ti4200's OC well? and what does the OEM mean? (I know what it stands for...but will it come with all parts of the card excluding the box/CDs?)
 
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I don't want to go through the hassle of getting a used from a forum member, I'd rather get one new from a good dealer. Also, this is just for old generation games anyway..

Edit:

Unless you can find me a good card there for $60 or under.

I'll only spend $80 on a new one. Sounds dumb, but that's how I want it.
 
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You are in luck my friend.

At newegg they have a PNY 6600GT for $99 after rebate. You dont get a much better deal. That 6600GT>all other aforementioned cards.

-Kevin
 
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Originally posted by: imhungry
Which card would be better for running old generation games on a backup for a backup :)]) computer?


My two main choices are...
the Ti4200

and
the FX5500

I might go for the fx5700le as well, because I heard they are MONSTER overclockers...(over 100% OC on the cores in some cases).
If you can give a better suggestion for...under $80, go ahead.
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OK, you stuck a number in there that knocked out an awful lot of new stuff, but I paid less than $50 for a Ti-4200 a year ago, still new and unused. The FX 5500 is tons slower than the Ti-4200, and the LE is almost as slow. Compare them at www.gpureview.com.

As someone has noted, if you can find the FX 5600 Ultra, it's faster than a Radeon 9600 and roughly equal to a 9600 Pro. You may have the 5700LE mixed up with the 5900LE, which could be flashed to be a 5900 nu or better. There are still a lot of 5700LE cards in the supply pipeline, but I doubt many of them can be OC'd well at all.

Even the FX 5700 nu was dog-slow, but I believe it might've been amenable to a bump in the ultra's direction. I have a 5900 nu, a 5600 Ultra, and a Ti4200 in different PC's (and in others, a Radeon 9700 Pro and a Radeon 9800se). I have had Ti-200's, a Ti-500, FX 5200's, one 5500, and a 5700le here, so I've seen how slow those last three really are (the GF 3 cards were faster).

Interestingly, among these several very different adapters and PC's, the hottest-running GPU has been the one on the Ti-4200.


:beer:
 
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imhungry

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
You are in luck my friend.

At newegg they have a PNY 6600GT for $99 after rebate. You dont get a much better deal. That 6600GT>all other aforementioned cards.

-Kevin
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haha, I just returned an eVGA 6600GT, but nah, I think I'll just go with the Ti4200. If I planned on spending over 75$, I'd hit up on that, I was just seeing if I would get better deals on what people mentioned.

$30 for the Ti4200 seems like a great deal to me now; But what comes with the OEM version of it?
 
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But what comes with the OEM version of it?
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Original Equipment Manufacturer = Nothing

FX 5600 Ultra, it's faster than a Radeon 9600
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No no no. A 5600U rev 2 may compare to a 9600NP in OGL but it as well as everything short of a 5900NU will get eaten alive in DX.

The only thing you should consider getting from the FX series is a 5900NU/XT. Anything else i not worth it.

imhungry, you may want to look at a 6200. Some people are getting OC's that put it up against 6600's and almost GT' sometimes. Probably almost as cheap, but a little better performer.

Whatever you decide,

Good Luck :beer:

-Kevin
 
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kyparrish

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OP,

9600pro for $45

I would PM the seller to see if it's available, and bump his thread if you are interested. For $45, this is a better deal than the 4200, IMO. You'll get to run DX9 effects (albeit at a lower resolution), and the 9600pro's overclock like mad.
 
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imhungry

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I found one that I'd be WILLING to buy...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121542

it's 64-bit though, which means it will take a performance hit when I push on AA and AF.
Is that one worth it over the 30$ Ti4200.
The OEM Ti4200 does NOT come with a HSF even? In that case I won't get it...unless I can get a HSF from the same site compatible for under $25, in which case I'd just go for the 6200...:(
 
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The OEM Ti4200 does NOT come with a HSF even?
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Lol, no. That is part of the Original Equipment. It comes with a HSF

As for the 6200, well that probably wont be better unless it is moddable. Lemme look and see if i can find any deals.

-Kevin
 
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Gamingphreek

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Hmmm, not much out there :

Well i suppose you could probably find a used 9700/9800 series card which would blow all of those out of the water for ~80. Other than that unless, you can find an ATI card that is a 9600 or higher the 4200 slaughter it.

-Kevin
 
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nRollo

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
The 4200 will eat it alive. The 5700 is an OK upgrade from a 4200. But your best bet if i had to choose from the FX series, is the 5900XT (or NU).

The 4200 is a DAMN FINE card. The FX series on the other hand is pretty pathetic :p

-Kevin
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Ah Kev, the 5800NU is WAY faster/better than a Ti4600, let alone a 4200.
 
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Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
The 4200 will eat it alive. The 5700 is an OK upgrade from a 4200. But your best bet if i had to choose from the FX series, is the 5900XT (or NU).

The 4200 is a DAMN FINE card. The FX series on the other hand is pretty pathetic :p

-Kevin
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Ah Kev, the 5800NU is WAY faster/better than a Ti4600, let alone a 4200.
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Yeah but good luck finding one. As for the 5900, well it leaves a lot to be desired in DX9. It would still beat a 9600Pro, however, when DX9 comes into factor it gets killed. YOu do have a valid point though.

I would still take an R3xx based component over an comparable NV3x component.

-Kevin
 
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Gamingphreek

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Originally posted by: imhungry
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...&STARTPAGE=4&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

and

I can't find the link...but someone had the 6200 non-tc for $60 shipped with the nv silencer on, and moddable to 6600 "artifacts".

Which would be the better deal out of them all?
Ti4200 - $30 + shipping
9600 pro - $40 shipped
6200 moddable and nv silencer 6 - I can probably get $50 shipped.
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First off, you need to find the whole link. You must have taken it where it was abreviated and it left the ellipses in. ;)

Hard to say, i would take the 9600Pro and OC it unless you can find a very nice OCing 6200.

-Kevin
 
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nRollo

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Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Originally posted by: Rollo
Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
The 4200 will eat it alive. The 5700 is an OK upgrade from a 4200. But your best bet if i had to choose from the FX series, is the 5900XT (or NU).

The 4200 is a DAMN FINE card. The FX series on the other hand is pretty pathetic :p

-Kevin
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Ah Kev, the 5800NU is WAY faster/better than a Ti4600, let alone a 4200.
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Yeah but good luck finding one. As for the 5900, well it leaves a lot to be desired in DX9. It would still beat a 9600Pro, however, when DX9 comes into factor it gets killed. YOu do have a valid point though.

I would still take an R3xx based component over an comparable NV3x component.

-Kevin
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I probably would too dude, but for the more efficient AF. DX9 is going to put a 9600Pro on its knees! ;)
 
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