GeForce 3 and Kyro 2 experiences

tanstaafl

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I've been lurking around this forum for a while, and I haven't seen anyone report anything like the experiences I've had, so I figured I'd put a quick post in here and see if I'm alone in these or not.

Anywho, I have a couple of machines here that were getting a bit dated with their video and were starting to have problems with some of the newer software titles. Since it had been a while since my last upgrade, I decided to go for broke, as the saying goes, and bought a Visiontek Geforce 3. I was very impressed with the card at first, and it seemed to be living up to most of the hype. The additional "tests" in 3DMark 2001 looked phenomenal. However, as I used the card more, I began to notice little things that weren't right. Testing with some of my older DX6 and 7 games, I noticed "glitches" in the rendering. Text, icons and so forth seemed to be ever-so-slightly corrupted, with pixels out of place here and there. Not enough to be any real problem, but just enough to make things slightly ugly. In Diablo II, I'm getting a "glitch" in the text-boxes and menus that appear close to the top of the screen. For example, when an NPC is speaking, the the top row of text gets distorted just as it is scrolling past the top, and the edges of the box do not align with the rest of the box. Again, just a pixel or two off, but enough to be somewhat ugly. Turning on 2x2 FSAA fixes this problem, but causes black, vertical lines to appear in some places such as dungeons with brick walls.

All this being said, the GeForce is still very impressive overall, but I must say I am slightly disappointed. I guess I expected a "top of the line" card to have top-notch image quality everywhere.

A couple days ago, I decided to do the upgrade on my other machine. Since this machine is mostly a server, but can be used for network and online games occasionally, I decided to go the "good but not so expensive" route and bought a Hercules P4500 (Kyro 2) card for it. My experiences with it have been quite the opposite of the GF3. Maybe it's only because I expected this card to be "good but not spectacular", but so far I've been pretty impressed with it. Of course, it's not perfect, but it's been doing very well for everything "real" that I've tried it with. The 2D and 3D image qualities are both outstanding. The same games that looked slightly ugly with the GF3 looked better than I think I've ever seen them. The color-saturation and texturing quality look very nice, and everything looks smooth and picture-perfect, not a single pixel out of place. Even games which I expected to be somewhat taxing for this card, such as Black and White, play very smoothly and look as good or better than I've seen on other cards. DVD playback seems to be close to perfect as well, with very good image quality and no dropped frames using PowerDVD 3. As I said, though, it's not quite perfect yet. Games do experience odd slow-downs at certain times in unexpected places, but for a card that cost a fraction of what the GF3 did, dissipates a fraction of the power and uses inexpensive SDR memory, it's been pretty impressive to me.

I apologize for the length of this post, but I did want to pass these experiences on to folks who are considering either of these cards and I am a little curious to know if anyone else has been having any of the peculiarities with the GF.
 

*kjm

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For the game you talked about (Diablo2) I have used an Ultra, Radeon, Kyro2 and a Voodoo5. The best card for that game is the V5 by far. The GF3 and Kyro2 are both so new that they will need time for the drivers mature. The Kyro2 is now in my system and I'm waiting for DirectX 8.1 to come out and see if it helps like everyone is saying. If it dont I will trade someone my Kyro2 for a V5 because I play Diablo2 about 95% of the time. I just sold my old V5 for the Kyro:( Oh well we will see what happens.
 

AppleTalking

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Woohoo! Go Kyro II!! :D

Seriously, though, I think it's a great card for the money, as your experiences illustrate. Hopefully I'll be getting my 3D Prophet 4500 in today (where's that FedEx man?) so that I can do some testing.

Nick
 

tanstaafl

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I too have experienced D2 on a variety of video platforms and I would certainly tend to agree that the V5 is best for this game, probably due to its native Glide support. It will be interesting to see if this remains true with the expansion pack, given the fate of 3dfx.

Anyway, yes, I'm hoping that DX 8.1 and forthcoming driver updates will resolve the minor issues I'm having with both of these cards. They are both outstanding cards which I am certainly going to keep for quite a while, and hopefully as the drivers mature, they will only get better.

BTW, I'm running them both under Win 2K on Via-based boards and they both appear to be very stable.
 

*kjm

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Win2000 and the ALI DDR chipset on my setup. All cards were stable.
 

Priest77

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I've been noticing the same glitches in text in a few of my games as well with my GF3. No One Lives For Ever for one and Hitman displays a few oddities when runnung under OpenGL though D3D is fine. I'm sure this will be resolved in time and it's really nothing major.
 

PeeluckyDuckee

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I've noticed the same glitch as well, in NFS5 where the menue text gets mis-aligned and the text looks very pixelated and blurry. Simply aweful to look at. THe game itself ran fine and looked pretty good, not as sharp or vibrant as bro's Radeon AIW though, but still quite good.

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one, I thought I had a dud card or something, back to the shelf the card went...*sigh*

I'm looking into the KyroII as well. How's the drivers for W2K? Easy to install?

Plucky
 

tanstaafl

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Thanks for the replies. It's good to know I wasn't the only one too.

As for the drivers, they were no problem to install. I simply uninstalled the drivers for the old card, shut down, swapped cards and booted back up. When the Add Hardware wizard came up, I simply pointed at the CD-ROM and it found everything. Hercules has a driver update which is an executable. Run and restart, no problems.
 

Yonguma

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My experiences with my Kyro 2 is good 2d and 3d. The 2d speed though, seems to be a little slow. I have a 19" monitor running at 1280x1024. When scolling on a web page, where you hold down on the scroll bar and move it up and down, it is very jerky comparing to a Matrox.
One problem that I see often, is that when I boot up, the screen would look like a trapezoid. About 1/4" on both sides, top of the monitor would "shrink". Rebooting the computer seems to solve the problem. Then, I would play half life in 1024x768, and it would "shrink" again. In the games, I will not be able to make the screen square.
This may be a bad card, did not have any of these symptoms when I was using the Matrox G400.
Other than these 2 "minor" problems, it is a decent low price card.
 

powervr2

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those problems are because you play half life in a different refresh rate...
try to use powerstrip..
to force maximum refresh rate (the same refresh rate of desktop)...
when you play half life it chooses a low refresh rate and your monitor/3d card is not aligning to that refresh rate.
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