GeFarce 4 MX 440 a real POS!

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Concillian
Is it a version with 64 bit memory?

That may explain poor performance, uf that is the case.

Score one for the new guy that no one listened to.

It's a 64-bit MX440, aka the MX440-SE.

- M4H

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Concillian
Is it a version with 64 bit memory?

That may explain poor performance, uf that is the case.

Score one for the new guy that no one listened to.

It's a 64-bit MX440, aka the MX440-SE.

- M4H

An IGP nForce 2 with GF4 MX440 using DDR333 (single channel) gets 2949 3D Marks
Here
That is using 64-bit memory bus.

It does seem exceptional for a retail card (even with 64-bit mem bus) to be outperformed by an integrated solution using the same chipset.
In which case it really sucks.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Lonyo
An IGP nForce 2 with GF4 MX440 using DDR333 (single channel) gets 2949 3D Marks
Here
That is using 64-bit memory bus.

It does seem exceptional for a retail card (even with 64-bit mem bus) to be outperformed by an integrated solution using the same chipset.
In which case it really sucks.

Well, the MX440SE only has a 50MHz clock advantage, which means nothing since it's memory-limited. The nF2 is also based on the NV18 core, and not the NV17, IIRC. 26xx-2949 is an easy margin of error/driver optimization.

- M4H

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I just benched this card in my SN45G 2400+ 266DDR synch mode. The score is 3213 so it is indeed the 64bit that's killing it. I just use this Albatron for testing systems so I don't need it to do anything else but provide 2d. IMO these cards make the IGP an even better value since they run 128bit with 2 stixk of ram and can score 5500+ with a fast CPU+system bandwidth+GPU core overclock and a few tweaks Not to mention an IGP board can be had for around $60.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I just benched this card in my SN45G 2400+ 266DDR synch mode. The score is 3213 so it is indeed the 64bit that's killing it. I just use this Albatron for testing systems so I don't need it to do anything else but provide 2d. IMO these cards make the IGP an even better value since they run 128bit with 2 stixk of ram and can score 5500+ with a fast CPU+system bandwidth+GPU core overclock and a few tweaks Not to mention an IGP board can be had for around $60.

Agreed. I'm studying thermal data to see if I can get an XP passively cooled in a case I've got, and if so I'll get the Shuttle MN31N dualhead-sportin' board involved in my little sub-20dB PC.

- M4H

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I just benched this card in my SN45G 2400+ 266DDR synch mode. The score is 3213 so it is indeed the 64bit that's killing it. I just use this Albatron for testing systems so I don't need it to do anything else but provide 2d. IMO these cards make the IGP an even better value since they run 128bit with 2 stixk of ram and can score 5500+ with a fast CPU+system bandwidth+GPU core overclock and a few tweaks Not to mention an IGP board can be had for around $60.

Agreed. I'm studying thermal data to see if I can get an XP passively cooled in a case I've got, and if so I'll get the Shuttle MN31N dualhead-sportin' board involved in my little sub-20dB PC.

- M4H

That would be fairly impressive. I'm not a silent computing junkie but I can always appreciate when someone manages to pull off a fairly fast but quite setup. I've used the MN31N for some builds and it's a sweet lil' board so good luck with the "stealthing" brudda :beer: BTW, will it be stealth black too?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
That would be fairly impressive. I'm not a silent computing junkie but I can always appreciate when someone manages to pull off a fairly fast but quite setup. I've used the MN31N for some builds and it's a sweet lil' board so good luck with the "stealthing" brudda :beer: BTW, will it be stealth black too?

It's actually going into an old IBM Netvista case with an upgraded PSU. Mostly black, but it's got ugly purple plastic that needs a paintjob badly. However, it's so quiet that the Seagate Cuda IV sounds downright loud by compare. Time for a shock-mount and sandwich job with some harddrive heatsink love.

It'll be used mostly for day-to-day tasks, neffing, and a little light gaming, as well as being a great second system to bring to the LAN parties.

But I digress.

64-bit MXs suck. :beer:

- M4H

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I just benched this card in my SN45G 2400+ 266DDR synch mode. The score is 3213 so it is indeed the 64bit that's killing it. I just use this Albatron for testing systems so I don't need it to do anything else but provide 2d. IMO these cards make the IGP an even better value since they run 128bit with 2 stixk of ram and can score 5500+ with a fast CPU+system bandwidth+GPU core overclock and a few tweaks Not to mention an IGP board can be had for around $60.

Agreed. I'm studying thermal data to see if I can get an XP passively cooled in a case I've got, and if so I'll get the Shuttle MN31N dualhead-sportin' board involved in my little sub-20dB PC.

- M4H

Underclock/volt a Barton-M 2600+?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I just benched this card in my SN45G 2400+ 266DDR synch mode. The score is 3213 so it is indeed the 64bit that's killing it. I just use this Albatron for testing systems so I don't need it to do anything else but provide 2d. IMO these cards make the IGP an even better value since they run 128bit with 2 stixk of ram and can score 5500+ with a fast CPU+system bandwidth+GPU core overclock and a few tweaks Not to mention an IGP board can be had for around $60.

Agreed. I'm studying thermal data to see if I can get an XP passively cooled in a case I've got, and if so I'll get the Shuttle MN31N dualhead-sportin' board involved in my little sub-20dB PC.

- M4H

Underclock/volt a Barton-M 2600+?

I've given the mobile chips some thought, but I'm having a hell of a time finding an mATX board that undervolts like a champ. I hear the Biostar model is good for that, but I haven't been able to confirm. Also, to underclock to passive cooling, I think a mobile Tbred is a better pricepoint since I've got to shed a lot of MHz either way.

I'll take this to CPU and make a new thread anyhow.

- M4H

 

[markjs]

It says on the box that it has 128 bit memory. Or is that code for DDR 64?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: markjs
It says on the box that it has 128 bit memory. Or is that code for DDR 64?

No, it's code for "You Got Lied To."

Download AIDA32 (Google it) and use it to check the memory width and speed. If it is indeed 64-bit and your box says 128-bit, take it back and bitch up a storm.

- M4H

 

[markjs]

It is indeed 64bit

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: markjs
It is indeed 64bit

Proceed to store tomorrow, bring box, card, and printout. Raise hell. And bring back the Soul Cube while you're there.

- M4H

 

[markjs]

After the hell I went through to even get the card let me tell you there will be no RMA. They are two states away anyway. They are called bestbargainpc.com. Avoid them at all costs. I just got took is all there is too it. I am going to break myself this month and get a Radeon 9500 Pro and pass my 9500NP to the second machine. I will give the GF4MX to a needy friend.

 

[TStep]

Have you tried softmodding your 9500np? If it's I-shaped you may end up with the 9500pro you are looking to get. If it's L-shaped you may end up with a 9700- better yet. Worth a shot, all you need to do is download some drivers.

Here is some reading to get you started.

 

[yhelothar]

I'm pretty sure you have AA/AF on to get such a low score.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I'm pretty sure you have AA/AF on to get such a low score.

Nope, the 64bit version is really that bad.

 

[TheAudit]

My GF4 MX actually had a lesser score at 3DMark, around 2k.

 

[nemesismk2]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I'm pretty sure you have AA/AF on to get such a low score.

Nope, the 64bit version is really that bad.

Even my old elsa gf2 mx400 scores 2960 and that has sdr memory!

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: nemesismk2

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
I'm pretty sure you have AA/AF on to get such a low score.

Nope, the 64bit version is really that bad.

Even my old elsa gf2 mx400 scores 2960 and that has sdr memory!

Pretty sad isn't it? My Soltek nF2 IGP board could do 6001 in 3DM2K1se with 44.03's, Barton@3200+, 400DC-DDR and coolbits IGP core overclocking. I paid $89 for that board over a year ago and it can crush a near $40 Albatron G4MX 64bit that still needs a board added to the cost to make it go.

 

[Terranboy]

What version of 3DMark are we talking about here, I got a 2600 in 2001, and a abismal 63 in 2003. I hated having that card, but I got it for free so I guess its not to bad (dorks at store broke my Voodoo5)

 

[Concillian]

It says on the box that it has 128 bit memory. Or is that code for DDR 64?

Are you sure it sayd 128 bit MEMORY?

Often times the box will say 128bit, but they mean the GPU core, not the memory bus width.

Owned by sketchy marketing tactics. It's often times REALLY hard to verify if a new GF 4 MX or GF FX 5200 is 64 bit memory or 128 bit memory. The card manufacturers make it VERY difficult to tell until you run aida32.