Geeks Drive Girls Out of Computer Science

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The stereotype of computer scientists as geeks who memorize Star Trek lines and never leave the lab may be driving women away from the field, a new study suggests.
And women can be turned off by just the physical environment, say, of a computer-science classroom or office that's strewn with objects considered "masculine geeky," such as video games and science-fiction stuff.
"When people think of computer science, the image that immediately pops into many of their minds is of the computer geek surrounded by such things as computer games, science-fiction memorabilia and junk food," said lead researcher Sapna Cheryan, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Washington. "That stereotype doesn't appeal to many women who don't like the portrait of masculinity that it evokes."
The upshot: Women don't feel they would fit in and so steer clear of computer-science majors and jobs, the researchers say. Such avoidance could help to explain why just 22 percent of computer-science graduates are women, a percentage that has been steadily decreasing, according to 2008 data from the National Science Foundation.
Not only are women missing out on some of the "best career opportunities, but computer science is missing out on female perspectives," Cheryan and her colleagues wrote in a recent issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.
Geeky objects
The results come from four studies with more than 250 students who weren't studying computer science.
In the first experiment, about 40 male and female students entered a small classroom that either contained objects stereotypically associated with computer science, such as Star Trek posters, video game boxes and Coke cans, or non-stereotypical items such as nature posters, art, a dictionary and coffee mugs. (The students were told to ignore these objects because the room was being shared with another class.)
Then, the students filled out questionnaires about their attitudes toward computer science.
In the geeky environment, women were significantly less interested than men in computer science, while there was no gender difference for the non-stereotypical classroom. Female students in the stereotypical environment said they felt less similar to computer-science majors than did those in the classroom that wasn't geeked out.
In three other experiments, two of which involved about 90 students each, participants were told to imagine stereotypical and non-stereotypical objects in various environments. Here are some of the results:

  • When women were given the choice of joining one of two all-female teams at a company, with the only difference between the teams being the objects found in respective workrooms, 82 percent of the women picked the team with the non-stereotypical workroom.
  • Male and female participants were given the choice between similar jobs at one of two companies with the only difference being the description of objects (either nerdy or generic) for each company. Both genders preferred the job in the non-stereotypical work environment, but women's preferences for the non-geeky environment were significantly stronger than men's.
  • In another similar job-position experiment, women were more likely to accept an offer with a neutral Web-design company while men had the opposite preference, choosing the stereotypically nerdy company. The more women perceived the stereotypical environment as masculine, the less interested they were in that company.
http://www.livescience.com/culture/091215-computer-science-girls.html
 

Vette73

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Does not help that a lot of guys that do go in those field have no skills with women and just end up sexually harassing them.
My wife and every woman she has worked with at IBM has stories. Some funny and some kinda scary. Even married guys try shit. My wife went to lunch with 1 guy and his major player skill was while driving back to the office just said “I want to have sex with you…” My wife, being the woman she is, just pointed her finger at him and said YOU BEHAVE!!!. :)
 

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The stereotype of computer scientists as geeks who memorize Star Trek lines and never leave the lab may be driving women away from the field, a new study suggests.
And women can be turned off by just the physical environment, say, of a computer-science classroom or office that's strewn with objects considered "masculine geeky," such as video games and science-fiction stuff.
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Geeky objects
The results come from four studies with more than 250 students who weren't studying computer science.
In the first experiment, about 40 male and female students entered a small classroom that either contained objects stereotypically associated with computer science, such as Star Trek posters, video game boxes and Coke cans, or non-stereotypical items such as nature posters, art, a dictionary and coffee mugs. (The students were told to ignore these objects because the room was being shared with another class.)


Yes, because any self respecting school would have the computer labs plastered with Star Trek photos and video games. :/

Our labs are new (less than 2 years old) and they are probably more aesthetically sterile than any of the other science labs.
 

bobross419

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I think this kind of works the opposite way as well. Overall I've had poor experiences with women in this field. I don't know what it is, but poor documentation skills seem to be common as well as some really bad/inefficient solutions to technical problems. Just my experience.
 

Terzo

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I think this kind of works the opposite way as well. Overall I've had poor experiences with women in this field. I don't know what it is, but poor documentation skills seem to be common as well as some really bad/inefficient solutions to technical problems. Just my experience.

I don't think this is quite the opposite, unless this poor documentation/problem solving has driven you to find a job in a different field.
 

Zebo

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How high do computer science majors go in math & physics? that would be a better explanation of paltry 22% than fengshui imo. e.g. my calc 3 and on were almost all male.
 

bobross419

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I don't think this is quite the opposite, unless this poor documentation/problem solving has driven you to find a job in a different field.

My bad, I forgot I'm on ATOT where every fucking douchebag is a god damn English/Philosophy/Physics major. Its the general point not the specific fucking syntax. I mean that I'd rather work with a bunch of guys. And since we are parsing shit out, "kind of works" would pretty much cover the fact that I don't want to leave my career field over this. Go suck one.
 

JJ650

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My bad, I forgot I'm on ATOT where every fucking douchebag is a god damn English/Philosophy/Physics major. Its the general point not the specific fucking syntax. I mean that I'd rather work with a bunch of guys. And since we are parsing shit out, "kind of works" would pretty much cover the fact that I don't want to leave my career field over this. Go suck one.

Bite me! I did major in physics! :D

On a serious note, this article is pretty pointless. No shit the uber geeks would drive the women away. They needed a damned study to notice that?
 

ShawnD1

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My wife went to lunch with 1 guy and his major player skill was while driving back to the office just said “I want to have sex with you…” My wife, being the woman she is, just pointed her finger at him and said YOU BEHAVE!!!

I think I want to sexual harass your wife. She sounds like a fun person.

How high do computer science majors go in math & physics? that would be a better explanation of paltry 22% than fengshui imo. e.g. my calc 3 and on were almost all male.
That makes sense. I'm an electrical engineering student and the work environment doesn't have any stereotyped stuff. People bring their books to class and that's it. We only have 2 women in EE and they're both very ballsy.

I hate to rely on stereotypes but women are often very bad at math. Even my dorky gamer chick friend who plays PC games with me is terrible at math and became an art major. The women who are very good at math are the ones who go into scientific fields.
 
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Terzo

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How high do computer science majors go in math & physics? that would be a better explanation of paltry 22% than fengshui imo. e.g. my calc 3 and on were almost all male.

I'm sure this varies with school but I think it at my school it was calc 2 and linear algebra.

My bad, I forgot I'm on ATOT where every fucking douchebag is a god damn English/Philosophy/Physics major. Its the general point not the specific fucking syntax. I mean that I'd rather work with a bunch of guys. And since we are parsing shit out, "kind of works" would pretty much cover the fact that I don't want to leave my career field over this. Go suck one.

Damn, I wasn't trying to rile you up or attack your writing. I just read your statement the wrong way.
 

nanette1985

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Nature posters, art, etc would drive me out of whatever it is they represent.

I'm female and a grandmother and i've worked in tech most of my life so far - yes, I have my own stories.

There's a lot more to the chick non-math&science thing than a few Star Trek posters.
 

StageLeft

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Not surprising. The stereotype of geeks is absolutely the best one I can think of in general.

I have met a few female developers. VERY few. A couple were actually quite doable but otherwise typically no.

In other news, stereotypes about nursing driving males away from the profession.
 

olds

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They should drive the womenz out.
In 1988 I was taking a comp sci class. Part of the grade was writing some invoices in C.
I was in the lab and needed help. But all the TAs/tutors or whatever the hell they were were all hovering around this hot chick, "helping" her.
If one did come over to help me, he'd point randomly at the monitor, then grunt then go back to the chick. I got no help.
 

Hacp

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I think the biggest factor driving females away from CS is the fact that you need to give up your social life to just get a B+.
 

BoomerD

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"When people think of computer science, the image that immediately pops into many of their minds is of the computer geek surrounded by such things as computer games, science-fiction memorabilia and junk food," said lead researcher Sapna Cheryan, an assistant professor of psychology at the University of Washington. "That stereotype doesn't appeal to many women who don't like the portrait of masculinity that it evokes."

WTF? There's nothing "masculine" about any of that. Geeky is just about anything but masculine. Male perhaps, but that's far from the same thing as masculine.



They should drive the womenz out.
In 1988 I was taking a comp sci class. Part of the grade was writing some invoices in C.
I was in the lab and needed help. But all the TAs/tutors or whatever the hell they were were all hovering around this hot chick, "helping" her.
If one did come over to help me, he'd point randomly at the monitor, then grunt then go back to the chick. I got no help.

It must have been obvious that you were "beyond help." :p

Besides, hot chick or Oldsmoboat? Duh...the choice is obvious. :biggrin:
 

PingSpike

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While less women in computer science is probably driven by a number of factors, likely including the stereotypes of the men and culture involved, I find this study rather worthless. They sent 250 people who already didn't choose computer science into a room full of star trek shit and that is suppose to tell us something?
 

ViRGE

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While less women in computer science is probably driven by a number of factors, likely including the stereotypes of the men and culture involved, I find this study rather worthless. They sent 250 people who already didn't choose computer science into a room full of star trek shit and that is suppose to tell us something?
More to the point, the field has been getting progressively more sterile ever since this issue was raised in the 70's and 80's. At this point I sincerely doubt it's the nerds driving females away, otherwise the female-to-male ratio would be increasing as the field become more sterile (instead it's decreasing, as the article points out).

Whatever the reason is, it's going to be a lot more complex than blaming it on the nerds.
 

BoomerD

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More to the point, the field has been getting progressively more sterile ever since this issue was raised in the 70's and 80's. At this point I sincerely doubt it's the nerds driving females away, otherwise the female-to-male ratio would be increasing as the field become more sterile (instead it's decreasing, as the article points out).

Whatever the reason is, it's going to be a lot more complex than blaming it on the nerds.

Maybe it's because "Math is so hard." :p
 

actuarial

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WTF? There's nothing "masculine" about any of that. Geeky is just about anything but masculine. Male perhaps, but that's far from the same thing as masculine.

Masculine literally means it reminds you of male characteristics. I think you're confusing the word masculine with macho.

Being geeky also has many non-masculine stereotypes, like weakness and aversion to physical activity, but it is the masculine characteristics that drive women away.