Gee thanks, George Lucas, you suck.

[imported_Strang]

Originally posted by: blazert40

Originally posted by: Strang

Originally posted by: blazert40
These small changes don't bug me, if I were George though I'd offer the original version and the "enhanced" version in an effort to make more money if anything else.

BTW Hayden Christensen sucks ass at acting and is one of the biggest failings of all the movies. They need to get a completely new actor and digital redo the last two with Hayden Christensen removed. How could they go so far as to make two movies and not realize how badly he sucks at acting?

Well, to be fair, Christensen wasn't in the first movie -- Jake Lloyd was the awful actor playing Anakin in that one. If you want to give Lucas the benefit of the doubt, you could argue that he hired Christensen to maintain a consistency in the crappiness of the acting.

Also all of the actors sucked in the prequels (with the exception of Ewan MacGregor).

You are correct, except I'd like to add Liam Nealson on the first one did a fine job even though he died early on.

Neeson was alright, but a little whiny (which was more script/direction probably), but to be honest I forgot about him.

 

[Phoenix86]

OK, here's the thing, it's like destroying the original mona lisa (just making a comparison to another art form), and giving her a smile.

All the while, every consumer copy of the original is on a time delayed bomb (you try to make VHS last forever with quality).

I brought up some of the changes, and she was like "ok, big deal." Then I told her that you couldn't view the originals, it wasn't a director's cut, or added scenes. You could only view this new version, and she was like WTF?

Now, she is the farthest thing from a SW fan. She hasn't even seen all of the first 3. If she doesn't understand this, how does George expect a die-hard fan, or a casual fan?

All that being said, most the changes are VERY minor. Except for adding Hayden Christensen, that's just SOOOOO wrong.

 

[TheAudit]

These changes make you want to perform hara-kiri with a light saber, huh?

 

[ElFenix]

my copy just came in the mail

 

[imported_Strang]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
my cop just came in the mail

bradruth is going to make the mailman very angry.

 

[MaxDepth]

The reason for the OP is that I like movies for what they are, flaws and all. While future generations make the original look dated, it still is and was a masterpiece of technology and limited budget. "Erasing" it with newer, modifed versions dilutes the power of the original as a moment in time. Yes, the newer stuff looks cleaner, more "believable" in CGI. But is that the point for fans of cinema in general? Would film noir movies be the same if we colorized them?

Yes, he can do anything he wants to his films. He has the right to do that. But I don't have to buy his new version either when I have the originals on tape. And really, he isn't rewriting history. But with enough money and time who knows?

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: DougK62
I think I'm probably the only one that thinks it's kinda cool that he likes the movies so much to go back and "better" them.

I still like the originals best.

He's just so insecure in his filmmaking that he has to go back, "better" them and destroy the originals so that eventually no one will know anything else but the updated versions.

You don't see a lot of the other great directors to come out of that time going back to make their films "better."

Yeah you do. The exorcist was re-released. So was apocalypse now. Worse, those movies didn't even really need it, because they didn't seem too dated compared to SW.

Not the same thing.

Both the originals of those movies were made available (and are still available) in current video formats.

The Apocolypse Now DVD came out a long time before the Redux and the Redux just contains extra footage. The overall story hasn't change.

The Exorcist DVD is the same thing. It was released on DVD long before the add scenes were in and you can still buy the original version.

For either of those you aren't forced to by the "better" version.

I agree, but it still is a case of going back years later and making a better version, even if it doesn't involve altering the original reels of film. I personally don't think any less of lucas for the alteration as much as the refusal to release the originals. That's the only thing I fault him for. I actually think he's less artistically compromising than the people who release extra footage that clearly didn't belong in the first place.

 

[pulse8]

The re-release of Apocolypse Now wasn't intended to make the film better, but more to just revisit the film with footage that was left out of the original, which is why they subtitled the re-release "Redux."

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: pulse8
The re-release of Apocolypse Now wasn't intended to make the film better, but more to just revisit the film with footage that was left out of the original, which is why they subtitled the re-release "Redux."

I don't know how you know whether the intent was to make it better or not, but there's little difference to me. Some films are actually worse than the originals, putting aside any feelings of nostalgia for the original form. For example, amadeus.

 

[Rufio]

the adding of Hayden into the ghost scene is questionable.
everything else is ....bleh.

 

[mwtgg]

Or you could 'obtain' the original versions that somehow found their way onto DVDs.

 

[Rogue]

I believe that the change to the "Ghosts" scene was reasoned out by Lucas. According to him, the change reflects the idea that your ghost reflects the way you looked when you died...as a Jedi. Anakin ceased to be a Jedi and became a Sith as a teenager, therefore, the change to the scene. I don't buy it, but it's his vision.

 

[Adul]

Originally posted by: yoda291

Originally posted by: gigapet
why dont jedi's scream?

what if your doing her really hard?

/force speed
/force Push
/force Pull

it really is just a matter of concentration when you think about it.

LOL

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Rogue
I believe that the change to the "Ghosts" scene was reasoned out by Lucas. According to him, the change reflects the idea that your ghost reflects the way you looked when you died...as a Jedi. Anakin ceased to be a Jedi and became a Sith as a teenager, therefore, the change to the scene. I don't buy it, but it's his vision.

Ah yes the infamous obi-wan logic.

 

[Muadib]

Damn you Lucas!!!!!:|

 

[Jeff7]

The 1997 special edition version of "The Empire Strikes Back" was changed so Luke wails as he jumps off the platform in Cloud City. In the only instance of Lucas undoing a later alteration (sadly, Greedo still shoots first on the DVD of "A New Hope"), he's taken it off the DVD edition. Maybe he realized Jedis (even ones in training) don't scream.

I don't know - the way he looks down before he jumps, it doesn't look like terror in his eyes. And maybe he has a knack for long jumps - Anakin had a penchant for that in Episode II, when he makes Obi-Wan quip "I hate it when he does that," after jumping from the speeder in the city.

That screenshot link was useful - don't know what to feel really. I never saw the originals in the theater. And I saw them out of order. Interestingly enough, my timeline of Star Wars (and related) is like this:
Spaceballs
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back

Spaceballs made a lot more sense after I saw Star Wars.
I assume that Anakin turns to the dark side in Episode III, when he appears as he does in the revised ROTJ movie, rather than as the older Anankin under the helmet. I wonder if going to the dark side counts as dying though, producing a Force Ghost? If so, is there a Dark Side Force Ghost of Darth Vader somewhere out there?

George Lucas is an ass but I still plan on getting this set. Looks like he wins afterall...

One thing about this statement - when the trilogy came out on VHS a few years back, I seem to recall Lucas saying that the trilogy would NEVER come out on DVD, so stop asking for it.
Now here they are on DVD.

Paris Hilton is digitally edited into the movies to replace Carrie Fisher as Leia

She'd probably be too dazed to remember any lines. And heck, it'd qualify as "work," which she's never done any of in her life. She couldn't handle it.

The Force is something one is born with, not a discipline that can be learned by faithful.

I thought this was always the way it was. Luke could use the Force, and so could his sister. Han couldn't - outside the family line. That alone indicated that it followed family lines.

Plus the midichlorian thing is the *stupidest* addition to the whole series. Way to reduce something that fascinated my 8-year-old self into something like white blood cells, heh.

I rather didn't like it either. Would be cool though - go to the hospital, and you get a blood transfusion, then you come home and discover you don't have to get up to retrieve the remote, which you already knew where it was.

 

[lordtyranus]

It's still an awesome set. All you old geezers need to get with the program here. A much clearer image is more than worth your problems with a couple 5 second scenes.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I never saw the originals in the theater. And I saw them out of order. Interestingly enough, my timeline of Star Wars (and related) is like this:
Spaceballs
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Empire Strikes Back

Spaceballs made a lot more sense after I saw Star Wars.

Which really invalidates your whole argument. You have probably never even seen the originals. OTOH, I have seen all the originals, each one in order when they were originally released in the theaters.

I'll say it one last time. It's not a couple of short scenes, it's the whole damn story. Shall we revise the Mona Lisa and give her a smile? Shall we all "get with the program" on that? :roll:
To hell with it anyway, Lucas can do what he likes, I simply won't support the travesties of his dotage until he releases the originals on DVD. Until then, he can go to hell for all I care. I'm simply disgusted by all you sheep lining up to buy his recent trash...

 

[OREOSpeedwagon]

I first saw (well, heard of actually) Star Wars when I was about 9-10 years old over at a friend's house when he put on A New Hope. That was my first movie marathon, I made him play the other two as soon as A New Hope was over. About a year later I rented the new SEs and loved them just as well. I haven't seen the movies since then (I'm 17 now) and am eagerly looking forward to going out to Walmart at midnight tonight and picking them up. Even with the changes, Star Wars is still Star Wars... it's still the same story and I can't wait to see them again