GDP increased 3.7% Q3 2004

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Economy keeps rolling along

GROSS DOMESTIC PRODUCT: THIRD QUARTER 2004 (ADVANCE)


Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property
located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 3.7 percent in the third quarter of 2004,
according to advance estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the second quarter, real
GDP increased 3.3 percent.
 

Genx87

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But but but

the economy is in shambles, nobody is employed, we are heading to ruin!

 

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What was the prediction, 4.2%? What is considered no growth, like 3.0%? Ya, booming (jobless) growth, consumer confidence is down too. Spin, spin, spin!
 

Genx87

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I would think no growth would equal 0%.

Of course in the liberal world if you shoot for 4.2% and get 3.6% you have negative growth.

spin spin spin.

btw todd if 3.0% is supposedly no growth then there were 11 quarters under Clinton with no growth, and 9 of those with negative growth.

That is 3 of 8 years with no or negative growth!

 

Genx87

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Does that really matter? GDP is a measurment of everything changing hands.

100 years ago you would be complaining that it is more manufacturing than agriculture. Imagine if we took the route John Kerry wants to take today 100-150 years ago and protected agricultural industries from manufacturing industries like he wants to protect manufacturing from the service industry?

Where would we be today?

I thought Liberals considered themselves the "smart ones." They sure aren't at smart as they purport to be...

They have a nacisism about them that is amazing. But it is a test that usually falls apart when you start talking about the real world and not some alternative universe where everything is Bush's fault.

 

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WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE GDP?

Since its introduction during World War II as a measure of wartime production capacity, the Gross National Product (now routinely measured as Gross Domestic Product?GDP) has become the nation's foremost indicator of economic progress. It is now widely used by policymakers, economists, international agencies and the media as the primary scorecard of a nation's economic health and well-being.

Yet the GDP was never intended for this role. It is merely a gross tally of products and services bought and sold, with no distinctions between transactions that add to well-being, and those that diminish it. Instead of separating costs from benefits, and productive activities from destructive ones, the GDP assumes that every monetary transaction adds to well-being, by definition. It is as if a business tried to assess its financial condition by simply adding up all "business activity," thereby lumping together income and expenses, assets and liabilities.

On top of this, the GDP ignores everything that happens outside the realm of monetized exchange, regardless of its importance to well-being. The crucial economic functions performed in the household and volunteer sectors go entirely ignored. The contributions of the natural habitat in providing the resources that sustain us go unreckoned as well. As a result, the GDP not only masks the breakdown of the social structure and natural habitat; worse, it actually portrays such breakdown as economic gain.
GDP TREATS CRIME, DIVORCE AND NATURAL DISASTERS AS ECONOMIC GAIN

Since the GDP records every monetary transaction as positive, the costs of social decay and natural disasters are tallied as economic advance. Crime adds billions of dollars to the GDP due to the need for locks and other security measures, increased police protection, property damage, and medical costs. Divorce adds billions of dollars more through lawyer's fees, the need to establish second households and so forth. Hurricane Andrew was a disaster for Southern Florida. But the GDP recorded it as a boon to the economy of well over $15 billion.
GDP IGNORES THE NON-MARKET ECONOMY OF HOUSEHOLD AND COMMUNITY

The crucial functions of childcare, elder care, other home-based tasks, and volunteer work in the community go completely unreckoned in the GDP because no money changes hands. As the non-market economy declines, and its functions shift to the monetized service sector, the GDP portrays this process as economic advance. The GDP also adds the cost of prisons, social work, drug abuse and psychological counseling that arise from the neglect of the non-market realm.
GDP TREATS THE DEPLETION OF NATURAL CAPITAL AS INCOME

The GDP violates basic accounting principles and common sense by treating the depletion of natural capital as income, rather than as the depreciation of an asset. The Bush Administration made this point in the 1992 report of the Council on Environmental Quality. "Accounting systems used to estimate GDP" the report said, "do not reflect depletion or degradation of the natural resources used to produce goods and services." As a result, the more the nation depletes its natural resources, the more the GDP goes up.
GDP INCREASES WITH POLLUTING ACTIVITIES AND THEN AGAIN WITH CLEAN-UPS

Superfund clean-up of toxic sites is slated to cost hundreds of billions of dollars over the next thirty years, which gets added to the GDP. Since the GDP first added the economic activity that generated that waste, it creates the illusion that pollution is a double benefit for the economy. This is how the Exxon Valdez oil spill led to an increase in the GDP.
GDP TAKES NO ACCOUNT OF INCOME DISTRIBUTION

By ignoring the distribution of income, the GDP hides the fact that a rising tide does not lift all boats. From 1973 to 1993, while GDP rose by over 50 percent, wages suffered a decline of almost 14 percent. Meanwhile, during the 1980s alone, the top 5 percent of households increased their real income by almost 20 percent. Yet the GDP presents this enormous gain at the top as a bounty to all.
GDP IGNORES THE DRAWBACKS OF LIVING ON FOREIGN ASSETS

In recent years, consumers and government alike have increased their spending by borrowing from abroad. This raises the GDP temporarily, but the need to repay this debt becomes a growing burden on our national economy. To the extent that Americans borrow for consumption rather than for capital investment, they are living beyond their means and incurring a debt that eventually must be repaid. This downside of borrowing from abroad is completely ignored in the GDP.
 

Genx87

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If you cant beat it try to discredit it. What else could we expect from a liberal?

You still didnt really address your notion that 3.0% is no growth.

 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
If you cant beat it try to discredit it. What else could we expect from a liberal?

You still didnt really address your notion that 3.0% is no growth.

Sorry, my bad. I was thinking of another index where ~3% was no growth. Can't recall it, intellegence != memory.
 
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Originally posted by: Genx87
If you cant beat it try to discredit it. What else could we expect from a liberal?

You still didnt really address your notion that 3.0% is no growth.

The numbers are only good when they are bad; bad numbers are good. This is liberalonics 101....a 4% increase in discretionary spending, when it was 5% last year, is cutting discretionary spending. Though the level of funding is increasing over the previous year that had 5%, it is still a "cut" in the liberals eyes...no wonder they don't control a single facet of government; they are too stupid to break out the old abacus and do the math.
 

Genx87

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But spouting off about something without giving notice using an incomplete memory is a sign of intelligence, or lack there of.

It is certainly foolish to debate something without at least some of the facts presented correctly in your own mind.
 
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Originally posted by: Todd33
Originally posted by: Genx87
If you cant beat it try to discredit it. What else could we expect from a liberal?

You still didnt really address your notion that 3.0% is no growth.

Sorry, my bad. I was thinking of another index where ~3% was no growth. Can't recall it, intellegence != memory.

Please take some Ginkoba® and let us know when you figure it out; I am dying to hear this.
 
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Originally posted by: Genx87

It is certainly foolish to debate something without at least some of the facts presented correctly in your own mind.

That's the Neolib way of life...just look at Kerry and the NYT's "October Surprise"..."We just don't know the facts, " but we'll make a stupid commercial anyway. Then again, what do you expect from a party that tells the disabled in wheelchairs that they will walk again if they vote from John Rambo?