Gays in the NFL have reached out to Michael Sam to talk?

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smackababy

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You've basically made my point, and are contradicting yourself at the same time.

How?

You claimed Sam's sexuality didn't have anything to do with it, THEN you turn and say that gays are scared and closeted because they may lose their jobs because of bigots like Dungy who are still in football.

Which it is, Smack?

Stop talking out of both side of your mouth.

Sam's didn't have anything to do with it because he wasn't fucking good enough to make it, regardless of his sexual orientation. The reason players already good enough to make it don't come out is because someone as stupid as Dungy could possibly exist. They suffer because there isn't a culture of acceptance, which Sam was a part of starting to change. Unfortunately for him, he left excuses of why he can't be on a team: his skillset wasn't up to par.
 

Retro Rob

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Sam's didn't have anything to do with it because he wasn't fucking good enough to make it, regardless of his sexual orientation.

Now you're just going to double-down on your ignorance and ignore very credible evidence to the contrary, some of which YOU provided. :rolleyes:

The reason players already good enough to make it don't come out is because someone as stupid as Dungy could possibly exist.

Now you're backtracking.
 

smackababy

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Now you're just going to double-down on your ignorance and ignore very credible evidence to the contrary, some of which YOU provided. :rolleyes:
Are you telling me Michael Sam had what it takes to make it on the teams he was given shots for? Because, he didn't.
 

darkewaffle

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Because I think he's a good player, and was only held out because he was gay.

I think it was more likely due to the fact he and the media made such a big deal about him being gay than him actually being gay. Nobody wants that circus act following him around.
 

Retro Rob

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Are you telling me Michael Sam had what it takes to make it on the teams he was given shots for? Because, he didn't.

To tell you the truth, I really don't know how good he was...obviously, he's good enough to be drafted (which the VAST majoity of players aren't).

You can consider yourself lucky to be picked at all.
 

smackababy

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To tell you the truth, I really don't know how good he was...obviously, he's good enough to be drafted (which the VAST majoity of players aren't).

You can consider yourself lucky to be picked at all.

And being picked in the 7th round, after a very poor showing at the combine doesn't mean you have what it takes. He was given a chance, and it might have been on the wrong team, but he didn't have what it took. He couldn't make it on the St. Louis squad. Could he have made it on say Oakland or Jacksonville? Perhaps, but by the time he was available to be picked up, they didn't feel they needed him. He was given another shot in Dallas. And, unfortunately for him, the Dallas defense actually performed well enough he wasn't called up.

None of that had to do with him being gay. He suffered what a lot of mobile QBs do when they come into the NFL. He excelled as a DE in college, but switching to OLB in the NFL (as he was too small to be a DE), he struggled. He wasn't bigger and faster and stronger than professional offensive linemen.