Gay Thread:6-3-05 Republicans succeed at keeping California discriminatory against Gays

dmcowen674

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Republicans succeed at keeping California discriminatory against Gays

6-3-2005 California lawmakers kill off gay marriage bill

SACRAMENTO, Calif. - California's Assembly on Thursday killed off a bill that would have allowed gay marriage in the nation's most populous state.

The Democratic-controlled Assembly fell six votes short of the needed 41 votes for the bill by Democratic Assemblyman Mark Leno of San Francisco.

None of the 33 Republicans in the 80-member Assembly backed the bill.


The U.S. is at the center of a new Halocaust.

Leading the charge is a member of P&N, incredible

It started as a hatred by the Religious and has grown into an all out call for extermination.

I'd like to know from the P&N member and those that support him how far will this go?

What is your goal of what is to be done by this group that is not even human in your eyes??

5-3-2005 Anti-Gay Laws Reveal Inhumanity

Gay Holocaust?

That was the subject line of an e-mail I received last week from "Chris," a lawyer in a red state.

He wanted to know if anybody else sees a similarity between the beginning of the Holocaust -- the nibbling away of rights and personhood that ultimately led to the attempted extermination of a people -- and what is happening to gay people in American right now.

He knows it's far-fetched. "But," he says, speaking of the conservative element that is pushing hardest against gay rights, "we are not dealing with normal people here."

Chris concedes that there are differences between the plights of Jews and gays. "But they also have this in common -- at one time in history, that time being the present for gays, they were the object of official government-sponsored hatred couched in the name of religion or morals."

And who can deny that this describes the plight of gay Americans in 2005? Or that demagogic lawmakers are using this environment to further their own ambitions?

There used to be an expression in Southern politics. The candidate who lost because he had been found insufficiently draconian on racial issues was said to have been "out-niggered." These days, the worry seems to be that one might be "out-homoed." Consider, for instance, a law under consideration in Alabama to ban books with gay characters from public school libraries.

We just don't learn.

Ours is a stable and prosperous democracy, so no, I don't predict train cars full of gays rolling toward death factories. Still, the mindset of aggrieved righteousness that allowed those trains to roll is not dissimilar from that which would ban books about gay people from public school libraries.

Maybe your instinct is to find the comparison unthinkable. Nobody is interning gays, nobody is mass murdering them.

You're right. But ask yourself: How many would if they could?

1-19-2005 Louisiana beefs up ban on gay marriage

NEW ORLEANS - The Louisiana Supreme Court on Wednesday reinstated the anti-gay marriage amendment to the state constitution that was overwhelmingly approved by voters in September.

"Each provision of the amendment is germane to the single object of defense of marriage and constitutes an element of the plan advanced to achieve this object," the high court said.

The court's ruling puts the amendment in the constitution.

In striking down the amendment, Judge William Morvant of Baton Rouge had ruled that the amendment also prevented the state from recognizing any legal status for common-law relationships, domestic partnerships and civil unions between both gay and heterosexual couples.

 

rickn

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Beulah and her three teefs voted for it, and it was passed by the voters.

That state is so backwards. I believe there is still old Napoleonic law that still exists in some parts of LA, and calling a woman a bitch she can beat the sh!t out of you and not face any criminal charges. HAHA
 

CycloWizard

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Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:

Here's a conservative who believes in Civil Unions. :)
 

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:

Yes, since after all, it's wrong for liberals to get pissed off when they see bigotry being enshrined into law...
 

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:

And here is your chance to explain your side of the coin.
How is marriage defended by this?
 

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:

And here is your chance to explain your side of the coin.
How is marriage defended by this?

How many times do you want it repeated? We had a rather long thread on this topic not long before the election. The search tool is your friend!

Long and short of it is that your k-5 kids won't have to learn about homosexual practices in the public screweles. Marriages won't be engaged in by numbers of men or women or animals. No one can marry their car now or their lawnmower or other battery operated device.

The institution that has been the foundation of society for the last 5,000 years will remain unimpugned in Louisiana, at least for the time being.

You don't have to live here, btw. I do.
 

rickn

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:

I see that my humor evades you CycloWizard, or did I touch a soft spot about missing teefs? I could also say the same thing about you, that you do not respect anyones opinion that differs from your own. My opinion is that opinion are like assholes, we all got one, and everyones elses stinks. And BTW, I am not a liberal, I just don't subscribe to the fantasy-land Republican party that Bush and his fanatical right-wing religious clan have hijacked. But my core values of how a government should be run are Republican. I have been a registered Republican since the day I first registered to vote, so you can take your assumptions and put them where the sun don't shine.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Another big liberal circle-jerk. Maybe, some day, one of you will realize that there is another side to the coin and that not everyone who sees it is some stupid, uneducated, redneck/hick. Doubt you ever will, but here's hoping. :beer:
And the other side of that coin has but one word on it:


BIGOT
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: dgevert
Yes, since after all, it's wrong for liberals to get pissed off when they see bigotry being enshrined into law...
No, it's wrong for them to assume that anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot. In this case, how can a homosexual be bigoted against himself? Instead of trying to argue the merits of a situation, you just mock whoever opposes you.
Originally posted by: conjur
And the other side of that coin has but one word on it:


BIGOT
See above.

The pro-homosexual marriage/pro-abortion/pro-liberal stance people ask the same question a thousand times then ignore the answer when it's provided. Your ignorance does not give you license to declare anyone who disagrees with you a bigot. It gives you license to ask questions to see what the opinions of your opposition is. I know, that's asking a lot from you guys, since you like personal attacks instead of debate, but you could at least try. Try reading this thread for an example of what I'm talking about in case you can't see it in yourself.
 

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: dgevert
Yes, since after all, it's wrong for liberals to get pissed off when they see bigotry being enshrined into law...
No, it's wrong for them to assume that anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot. In this case, how can a homosexual be bigoted against himself? Instead of trying to argue the merits of a situation, you just mock whoever opposes you.
Originally posted by: conjur
And the other side of that coin has but one word on it:


BIGOT
See above.

The pro-homosexual marriage/pro-abortion/pro-liberal stance people ask the same question a thousand times then ignore the answer when it's provided. Your ignorance does not give you license to declare anyone who disagrees with you a bigot. It gives you license to ask questions to see what the opinions of your opposition is. I know, that's asking a lot from you guys, since you like personal attacks instead of debate, but you could at least try. Try reading this thread for an example of what I'm talking about in case you can't see it in yourself.

Not sure why all those stances are getting lumped into one. Everyone should be deciding on each issue on their own. I don't see why homosexual couples shouldn't be afforded the same rights/responsibilities as straight couples but that's just me. It doesn't hurt me any for them to have civil unions or marriages or whatever you want to call them.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Not sure why all those stances are getting lumped into one. Everyone should be deciding on each issue on their own. I don't see why homosexual couples shouldn't be afforded the same rights/responsibilities as straight couples but that's just me. It doesn't hurt me any for them to have civil unions or marriages or whatever you want to call them.
Because the same people that are calling anti-homosexual marriage people in this thread bigots are the same people that call anti-abortion people idiots in other threads.
 

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I have seen man and woman marry, and stay together until death did them part, and I have seen man and woman split within 6 weeks. I have seen married couples of all races. I have seen stories husbands beating their wives, I have seen stories wives killing their husbands. I have seen stories of married men raping their children, and I have seen stories of married women drowing their children.
99% of the people that I know who have been married, have also been divorced. Most more than once. I have seen women and men marry, not out of love, but just to get into this country. I have seen people get out of prison for various criminal activies marry.

But same sex marriages? That's just going too far.

You people who are against same sex marriages/civil unions have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. You live on one side of the coin. Homosexuals are forced to live on the same side as you while existing on the other. You are preserving nothing. Marriage is no more sacred than the divorce that follows.
Protect the children? Protect the children from what? Protect the children from yourselves. You are holding them down, holding them back. Just like you were held back by your parents. How are we ever to progress as a society if we never take that first step? And how can we take that first step if our children's feet are bound with an aging poisonous ignorance?
Marriage with animals? First you attempt to deny homosexuals, then you insult them. Please. A horse is not an of age consenting adult. Nor can a horse say "I do". Now parrots, yes, technically they can say "I do". We will get into that another time. The point being, the slippery slope defense is utter BS and you know it.


 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
You people who are against same sex marriages/civil unions have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Say no more. Your opinion MUST be right.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
You people who are against same sex marriages/civil unions have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Say no more. Your opinion MUST be right.

I apologize if you are a homosexual against same sex marriages/civil unions. I didn't really think about that option.

 

rickn

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
You people who are against same sex marriages/civil unions have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Say no more. Your opinion MUST be right.

It wasn't long ago that some had the OPINION that blacks should sit at the back of the bus, blacks should not eat where white folks eat, blacks should not marry whites..they had an OPINION, they didn't think of themselves at bigots..but, their OPINION was WRONG.
 

Zysoclaplem

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
You people who are against same sex marriages/civil unions have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Say no more. Your opinion MUST be right.

It wasn't long ago that some had the OPINION that blacks should sit at the back of the bus, blacks should not eat where white folks eat, blacks should not marry whites..they had an OPINION, they didn't think of themselves at bigots..but, their OPINION was WRONG.

I don't think those opinions are wrong. Right and wrong don't really come into play in things like this. I think that they were holding us back as a society. I think that there are some extremely selfish people in this country who don't want share their toy. It's theirs, and they aren't giving it up without a fight.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: rickn
It wasn't long ago that some had the OPINION that blacks should sit at the back of the bus, blacks should not eat where white folks eat, blacks should not marry whites..they had an OPINION, they didn't think of themselves at bigots..but, their OPINION was WRONG.
An opinion can never be wrong, though it can be outside the spirit of justice. You, however, assume that your opinion is right, or that you can dictate what is or is not just. Unfortunately, you don't consider all the options when making such a judicious decision on justice. You're not interested in debate - only telling everyone else that you're right and they're wrong.