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So what are we supposed to do with this info?
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Put Booker on the Supreme Court....of course.
So what are we supposed to do with this info?
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The answer is easy. He takes a lie detector test and goes to the FBI. When that happens we deal with it.So what are we supposed to do with this info?
Do we treat it like the president does and yell fake news?
Do we treat it like the Republicans do and scream that it's a political stunt and should be ignored?
Or do we treat it like the Democrats do and claim anyone willing to come forward, under oath, with historical corroboration, is telling the truth?
Hmm...
This is easy. If the accusation is true, he should be thrown the *** out of the Senate, and any/all criminal charges should be brought against him.
If it's true?
Just how in the hell are third parties supposed to judge a private exchange between two people?
She also asked for confidentiality. She got shoved into the firing line.Ford signed her name and sent it to her congressional representative. She identified herself.
What we need is for Ronan Farrow to publish an article in the New Yorker that cites as a reference someone who spoke to someone else who knew the roommate of someone who heard that Booker was playing Spartacus in the men’s room.If this guy comes forward like the many accusers of rapist Judge Kavnaugh then more power to him. If not then it will obvious the plan was to concern troll all along.
Underlined sentence is the critical piece of information here. What it means is every accusation that involves only two people is judged on personal opinion. In the political arena it will always break on party lines. In practical terms that's a good thing, otherwise sexual misconduct accusations become the ultimate political weapon. Guilt or innocence becomes a popularity contest, it will all boil down to who can put on the better show of emotion, or who is liked the most.This is a particularly pathetic attempt at concern trolling.
Anyone who has an accusation of sexual assault should come forward and people should be ready to believe them if their accusation is credible as we all know the accusations against Kavanaugh were. In this case we have an anonymous accusation from a conservative website so that is clearly not credible. If more information comes up I would be glad to re-evaluate.
This is a great example of conservatives swallowing their own bullshit though. Because they had to talk themselves into supporting Kavanaugh they lied about what Democrats were saying and decided that Democrats were arguing for ALL accusations to be accepted as true regardless of their credibility. Because this is what they thought the standard was they think attacks like this are witty when in reality it just shows how deeply dishonest their position was from the beginning.
Underlined sentence is the critical piece of information here. What it means is every accusation that involves only two people is judged on personal opinion. In the political arena it will always break on party lines. In practical terms that's a good thing, otherwise sexual misconduct accusations become the ultimate political weapon. Guilt or innocence becomes a popularity contest, it will all boil down to who can put on the better show of emotion, or who is liked the most.
You stated that the accusations against Kavanaugh were credible, half the senate decided they weren't. Your response will be that they're all crooked republicans, and we end up back in a never ending loop.
Credible accusation has to mean actual evidence or we'll never get off the treadmill.
For example do you think Kavanaugh would have been withdrawn if he were a democratic nominee?
We're still dealing with opinion. I do agree that my approach gives predators an edge, but the other side of that gives tremendous power to the alleged victim. That absolutely will be weaponized, it will be used and abused until sexual misconduct becomes a standard accusation against every politician. Look at what you've said right here, it's all the evil republicans, you've already convicted every republican that will ever be accused.This is projection. I have no doubt that conservatives will do that because, well, we see conservatives routinely dismiss evidence if it conflicts with their political beliefs. Liberals may do this to some extent but overall it’s not even remotely the same. For example do you think Kavanaugh would have been withdrawn if he were a democratic nominee? Of course he would have been.
It’s very important not to assume that the two parties are mirror images of each other because they’re not.
There is actual evidence in a sworn statement. This is considered evidence in every court on the planet. There is also evidence that the accused deliberately attempted to mislead the Senate about issues directly related to the accusation. A reasonable person would look at one person clearly lying and decide they are less credible. By your standard of evidence you are basically immunizing all people who commit sexual assault so long as it isn’t in front of witnesses, which it almost never is.
As for the Republicans of course they were doing it out of political convenience. We all know that. Their reasons for ‘believing’ him didn’t even make internal logical sense.
We're still dealing with opinion. I do agree that my approach gives predators an edge, but the other side of that gives tremendous power to the alleged victim. That absolutely will be weaponized, it will be used and abused until sexual misconduct becomes a standard accusation against every politician.
Look at what you've said right here, it's all the evil republicans, you've already convicted every republican that will ever be accused.
I absolutely refuse to accept guilt based on politics.
Keith Ellison is full steam ahead. Show me a Democrat that stands behind his accuser.
Keith Ellison is full steam ahead. Show me a Democrat that stands behind his accuser.
I'm actually pretty neutral on this. Certainly not going to believe it 100%, but there could be enough details here that may or may not be verified over time. The only thing I'd say smells fishy is his choice of lawyer (sorry, but hiring an RNC operative screams political hit job.) Also, call me old fashioned but I only believe the victim after I know who the victim is... They will need to come forward publicly at some point. The victim says that Booker called him a "hero" and visited his workplace...but says he's a "nobody". Is he police/firefighter/military?
Things that need verification:
- Will Ronan Farrow come forward and share anything? Was he contacted? Has he been able to vet any details?
- Will date/time of alleged encounter line up with Booker's schedule? Are there any other witnesses who saw Booker at this workplace?
- Did the victim tell anyone about the encounter contemporaneously? Will anyone be able to testify that they were told about this?
- I don't know anything about Booker's sexuality but I thought he was straight--does he have a history of "on the DL" sexual encounters with men? Or anything else that would establish a pattern of behavior?
Unlike Kavanaugh, Booker is entirely accountable to the court of public opinion. If this alleged incident becomes more credible, no way he is elected president, and re-election to the Senate might even be in question.
He also called for a full investigation and Democrats have sent it to the local authorities.
Dr Ford's credibility seems to be in question as well despite ones deeply partisan desire to believe otherwise.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/409651-dr-fords-credibility-problem
We're still dealing with opinion. I do agree that my approach gives predators an edge, but the other side of that gives tremendous power to the alleged victim. That absolutely will be weaponized, it will be used and abused until sexual misconduct becomes a standard accusation against every politician. Look at what you've said right here, it's all the evil republicans, you've already convicted every republican that will ever be accused.
I absolutely refuse to accept guilt based on politics.
Speaking of deeply partisan desires to believe something you just linked an opinion piece from a conservative activist group.
If you are interested in an actual opinion of Ford’s credibility from an expert and not a political activist you can read this here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/18/former-sex-crimes-prosecutor-analyzed-fords-allegations-against-kavanaugh-heres-her-take/
Your post really showcases what I’m talking about here. Conservatives view everything through the lens of politics so when an activist opinion writer says what they want to believe they don’t think twice.
What of the authors points do you discount?
Dr Ford's credibility seems to be in question as well despite ones deeply partisan desire to believe otherwise.
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/409651-dr-fords-credibility-problem
