Gay Day of Silence a Waste of Tax Dollars, Critics Say

Amused

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How sad that the rightwing of this country can't get over their irrational fear and hatred of gays and lesbians.

Even more sad is how polarizing this, and the abortion issue is. Driving many young people away from free market/free mind ideology right into the socialist arms of the left based on two core issues.

Freedom of market and mind MUST extend to people's bedrooms and bodies, or it is pointless.

I watched countless people die over the years because of this irrational fear and hatred. Millions more died as they were ignored because the disease was ignorantly associated with homosexuality alone.

Wake up, fiscal conservatives! These two issues are killing your ideology.

Gay Day of Silence a Waste of Tax Dollars, Critics Say

FOXNews.com

Thousands of public schools are planning to allow students affiliated with a gay and lesbian advocacy group to sponsor an anti-bullying "Day of Silence" on Friday, but family organizations say the demonstration is a disruptive waste of taxpayer dollars and are calling for families to pull their kids out of school.


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Thousands of public schools nationwide will allow students affiliated with a gay and lesbian advocacy group to sponsor an anti-bullying "Day of Silence" on Friday, a demonstration some socially conservative family organizations say is a disruptive waste of taxpayer dollars and a reason to keep kids out of school.

GLSEN — the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network — is organizing the 15th annual Day of Silence for April 16, encouraging students to remain mute during classes to call attention to verbal and physical abuse of gay students.

GLSEN says students at more than 5,000 middle and high schools are expected to participate, and over 30,000 people have joined a Facebook group promoting the effort. Many sport T-shirts or hand out literature promoting alliances between gay and straight students.

But family advocacy groups warn that GLSEN is using the day to try to indoctrinate kids and force a pro-gay agenda into schools — something they want kept out of class entirely.

"I think that we shouldn't be exploiting public education for this," said Laurie Higgins, director of school advocacy for the Illinois Family Institute. "There are better ways to use taxpayer money. We send our kids there to learn the subject matter, not ... to be unwillingly exposed to political protest during instructional time."

Critics say the anti-bullying message could have been spread after hours and off-campus, but GLSEN's choice of venue shows the group's intent for the schools.

"Obviously this is intended to make an impact on the educational environment — otherwise they wouldn't be doing it at school," said Bryan Fischer, director of issues analysis at the American Family Institute. "The only impact it could possibly have would be to interfere with class."

Higgins and Fischer are calling on parents to withdraw their children from classes that participate in the Day of Silence, a move Higgins compared to "civil disobedience" after years of being ignored by school officials.

"This is definitely a last-resort option," she told FoxNews.com, "but school administrators have not listened to parents and teachers. Teachers who object to this are afraid to say anything, afraid of personal and professional repercussions."

But GLSEN says feedback from schools has been positive and that teachers are still in command of their classrooms, no matter how many students choose to take part.

GLSEN distributes materials online outlining what students may do during class to support the Day of Silence, and it urges them to contact teachers and administrators before Friday to avoid running afoul of speech laws.

Lunch period is one thing, but during actual classes students "do not have the right to refuse to speak — instructional time is instructional time," said Eliza Byard, GLSEN's executive director. Supreme Court decisions have denied free speech to students inside classrooms — and that precludes any right to silence.

Byard said the Day of Silence has resonated with so many students over the years because it is a peaceful and non-disruptive way for them to make a difference.

The day began as the creation of a college student at the University of Virginia and has spread to thousands of institutions since 1996. GLSEN, which took over organizing the event in 2001, provides organizing instructions to students — even teaching how to create press conferences promoting the Day of Silence.

But GLSEN says urgent action is still needed to address the dangers gay and lesbian students face on a daily basis. A survey conducted by the group in 2007 found that 86 percent of homosexual students reported being harassed at school, and that more than 60 percent felt unsafe because of their sexual orientation.

"The national picture still doesn't look good and the national numbers still remain unacceptably high," Byard told FoxNews.com.

Byard, who expects this year to be "one of the biggest Day of Silence celebrations yet," said the event is far less disruptive than the backlash against it.

"Participants in Day of Silence go to school, go to class and answer when called upon," she said. "For a family to decide to take their child out of class, it would disrupt that child's learning and that would be a shame."

The boycott of classes is a new tactic being urged by conservative groups to hit school officials where they think it will hurt the most: in the wallet.

"Most schools get reimbursed on the basis of average daily attendance. In other words, they don't get taxpayer dollars for teaching students anything — they get taxpayer dollars for having fannies in the seats," said Fischer, of the American Family Association. "So if you have fewer fannies in the seats that's less dollars for school administrators and that's an incentive for them to do the right thing here."

The family groups also worry that GLSEN's reach into the classroom will continue after the Day of Silence is over. While Higgins agrees that bullying is a problem, she said it would "open a can of worms" to give the group free rein and allow public schools — and public funds — to "transform the moral beliefs of other people's children," she said.

"No decent people want any children to be bullied ... and I think they exploit that sentiment," she said.

GLSEN does not currently receive any federal or state funding, according to a spokesman for the group. The non-profit is funded by charitable foundations, teachers' unions and a host of corporations.
 

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I would fully support a gay year of silence. That would really get the attention of right wing bigots. Everyone knows this.
 

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Had nothing to do with education so the school should not be using tax payer dollars to fund it.
 

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GLSEN shouldn't be in schools - especially after teaching kids fisting in Boston. Those gay-straight alliances are perfect example of brainwashing technique. First they set up opposition as "homophobic" - then they provide an out from the stress be allowing people to be "allies".
 

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It's got nothing to do with morality. Bigots are just as moral or immoral as anyone else.

So we won't mind when they teach about the religious bigots of our time? And I don't mean just the Christians. I mean the muslims and atheists/agnostics as well? I mean, we can have a group put in schools specifically to teach their wrongdoings, right? Taxpayer funded, of course.
 

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Republicans are pulling their kids out of school for this day, because they are afraid their children will come out of the closet. The worst possible thing for a Republican family is a gay child.
 

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Republicans are pulling their kids out of school for this day, because they are afraid their children will come out of the closet. The worst possible thing for a Republican family is a gay child.

Cheney sure didn't mind....

Wait, but he is the devil.....
 

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Bunch of BS. Silence for a day to support gays and lesbians, another day to support environment, another day to support ban death sentences, another day for Iraq war...I am sure people can easily find 356 excuses to use kids and their time in school to send some message.

Oh and guess what that day of silence is gonna do to the bullies and prejudice against gays and lesbians. Nothing.
 

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You know if you tried to pull this silence shit in a school that isn't public, you'd get sent to the principal's office and suspended first thing.If you tried to pull this off in China or India, say goodbye to one of your fingers :eek:. What students get away with in US Public schools these days is outrageous.
 

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You know if you tried to pull this silence shit in a school that isn't public, you'd get sent to the principal's office and suspended first thing.If you tried to pull this off in China or India, say goodbye to one of your fingers :eek:. What students get away with in US Public schools these days is outrageous.

what people get away with who start idiotic threads these day is outrageous!!
 

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You know if you tried to pull this silence shit in a school that isn't public, you'd get sent to the principal's office and suspended first thing.If you tried to pull this off in China or India, say goodbye to one of your fingers :eek:. What students get away with in US Public schools these days is outrageous.

So you're advocating that children who "pull this silence shit" in school be punished by having one of their fingers amputated? And if they refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, should they just be beaten up in the parking lot?
 

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I'm confused. The article says this is about anti-bullying, the GLSEN just happens to be pushing it. So what's the problem?

And to those who say it's not the state's role to teach morality, boo on you. Not every kid has parents, or even a parent, at home teaching them. Not to mention the state has no problems punishing kids who do "wrong" or "immoral" things, so I guess that means they do take on that responsibility..
 

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So you're advocating that children who "pull this silence shit" in school be punished by having one of their fingers amputated? And if they refuse to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, should they just be beaten up in the parking lot?

Did I say I advocated chopping people's fingers off? I just used it as an example to show that other countries don't tolerate this.
 

ch33zw1z

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Did I say I advocated chopping people's fingers off? I just used it as an example to show that other countries don't tolerate this.

Don't tolerate what exactly? Bullying, or Gays/Lesbians?
 

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The gay lobby fear mongers can be quite intimidating. Not surprising they exploit the schools to push their hysterical agenda.

Homosexuality is largely a non-issue in this country. There is no need for "gay day of silence" any less than "black day of silence" or "jew day of silence."

Sexual, like ethnic minorities are discriminated against but it doesn't mean they get their own day. We have enough that shit in this country.

schools should spend less time pushing politics, and more time teaching math...because america is right next to africa when it comes to academics.
 

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The gay lobby fear mongers can be quite intimidating. Not surprising they exploit the schools to push their hysterical agenda.

Homosexuality is largely a non-issue in this country. There is no need for "gay day of silence" any less than "black day of silence" or "jew day of silence."

Sexual, like ethnic minorities are discriminated against but it doesn't mean they get their own day. We have enough that shit in this country.

schools should spend less time pushing politics, and more time teaching math...because america is right next to africa when it comes to academics.

Yeah, I bet you also think they wasted a bunch of taxpayer dollars with all those efforts to let black children into schools?

:rolleyes:
 

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The gay lobby fear mongers can be quite intimidating. Not surprising they exploit the schools to push their hysterical agenda.

Homosexuality is largely a non-issue in this country. There is no need for "gay day of silence" any less than "black day of silence" or "jew day of silence."

Sexual, like ethnic minorities are discriminated against but it doesn't mean they get their own day. We have enough that shit in this country.

schools should spend less time pushing politics, and more time teaching math...because america is right next to africa when it comes to academics.

Well said. I'm tired of treating every minor group special. If we do that, we'll run out of days as there are too many "special" people in this world. Instead of treating people special, we should treat everyone the same.
 

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Well said. I'm tired of treating every minor group special. If we do that, we'll run out of days as there are too many "special" people in this world. Instead of treating people special, we should treat everyone the same.
Yet you don't feel that way about preventative health care.
 

Hacp

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Yet you don't feel that way about preventative health care.
Anyone can have preventative health care if they so choose to purchase preventative health care. No one is preventing people from buying health care.