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Gay Couple refused entry to US as married couple

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Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Alrighty then. Explain the genetic component of homosexuality and why it's present if God didn't put it there while creating us. Here's some sample data for you to peruse. I'll try to dig up some more complete references if I have time today.

Bailey and Pillard (1991): occurrence of homosexuality among brothers

52% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual men were likewise homosexual
22% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
11% of adoptive brothers of homosexual men were likewise homosexual

J.M. Bailey and R.C. Pillard, ?A genetic study of male sexual orientation,? Archives of General Psychiatry, vol. 48:1089-1096, December 1991.

Bailey and Pillard (1993): occurrence of homosexuality among sisters

48% of identical (monozygotic) twins of homosexual women were likewise homosexual (lesbian)
16% of fraternal (dizygotic) twins were likewise homosexual
6% of adoptive sisters of homosexual women were likewise homosexual

Bailey, J. M. and D. S. Benishay (1993), ?Familial Aggregation of Female Sexual Orientation,? American Journal of Psychiatry 150(2): 272-277.
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I'm sorry, i do not find it genetic. Your statistics very well could prove that. if that is saying 50+% of twins that are generally raised in the same household. They are most likely close to one another, 50+% of the time the other one is gay as well?

Or what about the adoptive percentage your showed? 11%!!!!! That is 1 of every 10 boys adopted into a family where homosexuality is part of it, they also turn out to be gay. In no way are their genes related. Doesn't that prove that its not genetic? If not, that is a high percentage. Plus, haven't they already broke down our DNA? Wouldn't they be able to find the differences within it if there was truely something different about a homosexuals DNA and a straight persons? They have yet to prove this, but yet they have the information to be able to do it if it was true right now. I'm sorry, I don't think Homosexuality is in any way a genetic thing. I believe it is a person's choice and how they were raised.

I do not have any other statistics, but I believe the ones you showed to back your argument actually prove otherwise. Particularly with the adoption statistic.
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Okay, I'm going to have to go back to making fun of you again since you apparently can't read. I never said homosexuality was solely genetic, I said it appears to have some biological basis. So, it's a combination of nature and nurture. The studies I linked (as well as others) bear this out even down to the adoptive statistics (they support the "nurture" side of the equation).

And no, they havn't "broke down" our DNA and figured out precisely what genes do what. The human genome is huge so it's not nearly as simple as putting the roadmaps for two people side by side and saying "Oh....this guy's totally gay."

Here is the complete human genome as we have sequenced it. Each chromosome represents somewhere around 200 megs of text data. Have fun.

Chromosome One alone has 3232 identified genes


Again: there is strong evidence for biological basis of homosexuality. Why did God do this if God indeed made us?

 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Mookow
The human genome is huge so it's not nearly as simple as putting the roadmaps for two people side by side and saying "Oh....this guy's totally gay."
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Maybe, but on the other hand one look at this guy's picture...
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Okay, and what determines your physical appearance?

Genetics.


I rest my case. 😛
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So, personal choice in grooming, hairstlye, clothing, make-up, posture, and gestures have NO bearing on physcial appearance... I see.

Wait, werent you the guy advocating leather chaps? :disgust:

😛
 
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Mookow
The human genome is huge so it's not nearly as simple as putting the roadmaps for two people side by side and saying "Oh....this guy's totally gay."
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Maybe, but on the other hand one look at this guy's picture...
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Okay, and what determines your physical appearance?

Genetics.


I rest my case. 😛
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So, personal choice in grooming, hairstlye, clothing, make-up, posture, and gestures have NO bearing... I see.
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I don't think there's a "Styling Mousse" gene.....but I'll double check.

Wait, werent you the guy advocating leather chaps? :disgust:

😛
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DO NOT MOCK THE CHAPS, DAMMIT! :|

😛

 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Your title is HIGHLY misleading, they were offered a way to get in but they turned it down due to their own personal vanity.

Whether they like it or not, the US does not recognize same sex marriages.

They were not "barred," they were slightly inconvenienced & their own stupidity is what killed their trip.

Frankly with an attitude like that we don't need them here anyway.

Viper GTS
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Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Mookow
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Originally posted by: Mookow
The human genome is huge so it's not nearly as simple as putting the roadmaps for two people side by side and saying "Oh....this guy's totally gay."
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Maybe, but on the other hand one look at this guy's picture...
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Okay, and what determines your physical appearance?

Genetics.


I rest my case. 😛
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So, personal choice in grooming, hairstlye, clothing, make-up, posture, and gestures have NO bearing... I see.
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I don't think there's a "Styling Mousse" gene.....but I'll double check.
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Yes, I sure you will diligently watch fruit flies hump to make sure....

Wait, werent you the guy advocating leather chaps? :disgust:

😛
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DO NOT MOCK THE CHAPS, DAMMIT! :|

😛
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I'm not mocking the chaps, so much as mocking what (little) they reveal as compared to normal pants
 
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Okay, I'm going to have to go back to making fun of you again since you apparently can't read. I never said homosexuality was solely genetic, I said it appears to have some biological basis. So, it's a combination of nature and nurture. The studies I linked (as well as others) bear this out even down to the adoptive statistics (they support the "nurture" side of the equation).
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Hmmm, this is where we differ in opinions. By the statistics you showed, it could in fact be soley based on nurture alone. Showing that identical twins one being gay, the other turning gay, doesn't mean anything to me. As most likely those twins grew up in the same household. Experienced the same situations in their childhood, so to see them both turn out to be close to the same, or both being homosexuals, is not a suprise to me.

And no, they havn't "broke down" our DNA and figured out precisely what genes do what. The human genome is huge so it's not nearly as simple as putting the roadmaps for two people side by side and saying "Oh....this guy's totally gay."

Here is the complete human genome as we have sequenced it. Each chromosome represents somewhere around 200 megs of text data. Have fun.

Chromosome One alone has 3232 identified genes
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Well, we all know they are certainly close to being able to clone a human being. If that is the case, they have had to be very close up to this point on figuring out DNA. They may not have it complete yet (although they may). But that right there shows that they are closer than what you are imagining.


Again: there is strong evidence for biological basis of homosexuality. Why did God do this if God indeed made us?
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God created dogs, if i go and have sex with it, does that mean he created it? No. Like i said previously, God gave us our own minds to be able to make our own decisions, whether they are right or wrong.
 
Originally posted by: Venix
What happens when someone with seven wives tries to enter the US?
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I am almost positive that you wouldn't be able to do that either. Because I know that if you are married, and you file for a divorce. You must wait until the divorce is final legally before being able to marry another person (legally).
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
Originally posted by: Fausto1
Okay, I'm going to have to go back to making fun of you again since you apparently can't read. I never said homosexuality was solely genetic, I said it appears to have some biological basis. So, it's a combination of nature and nurture. The studies I linked (as well as others) bear this out even down to the adoptive statistics (they support the "nurture" side of the equation).
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Hmmm, this is where we differ in opinions. By the statistics you showed, it could in fact be soley based on nurture alone. Showing that identical twins one being gay, the other turning gay, doesn't mean anything to me. As most likely those twins grew up in the same household. Experienced the same situations in their childhood, so to see them both turn out to be close to the same, or both being homosexuals, is not a suprise to me.
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*sigh* So why isn't the data for fraternal twins exactly the same? They came from the same womb, same household, same childhood situations. This is not a difference in opinion, you're just incorrectly interpreting the data.

And no, they havn't "broke down" our DNA and figured out precisely what genes do what. The human genome is huge so it's not nearly as simple as putting the roadmaps for two people side by side and saying "Oh....this guy's totally gay."

Here is the complete human genome as we have sequenced it. Each chromosome represents somewhere around 200 megs of text data. Have fun.

Chromosome One alone has 3232 identified genes
Click to expand...

Well, we all know they are certainly close to being able to clone a human being. If that is the case, they have had to be very close up to this point on figuring out DNA. They may not have it complete yet (although they may). But that right there shows that they are closer than what you are imagining.
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Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Cloning is basically a insert-tabA-into-slotB type of procedure (it's not that simple, but you hopefully get the idea). What we do NOT have the ability to do is to just look at a gene and know what it does. We still have to use the "black box" method of knocking out or transferring the gene and observing the results. It's a very, very time-consuming process (I know because it's what I do for a living).


Again: there is strong evidence for biological basis of homosexuality. Why did God do this if God indeed made us?
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God created dogs, if i go and have sex with it, does that mean he created it? No. Like i said previously, God gave us our own minds to be able to make our own decisions, whether they are right or wrong.
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Stop dodging the question. I have aptly demonstrated that there is some genetic basis for homosexuality. Either admit that this is God's doing or stop using the bible as your basis for condemning gay persons.

EDIT- you need to read Genome by Matt Ridley before you wade any deeper into the genetics pool.

 
So this makes me wonder... if a straight couple, say ones 14 and the other is 18, would they be allowed to enter the country as a family???
 
Originally posted by: freedomsbeat212
Originally posted by: amnesiac
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
Your title is HIGHLY misleading, they were offered a way to get in but they turned it down due to their own personal vanity.
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Vanity? You mean honesty. They are married.
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What part of "the U.S. does not recognize same sex marriage" didn't register? To the U.S. they are considered two single gay men, and that's how it is. Our country, our rules.

Bourassa, who works as an advocate for same-same marriage, said the couple made the decision not to fill out separate form because they felt it was an insult to their dignity.

Oh, cry me a river you dumb queer. You come across one little hurdle and throw a friggin tantrum. Drop your "dignity" for 5 minutes, fill out the form, then go back to being gay because once you're IN the US no one cares anymore.
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So I guess Rosa Parks was an idiot too and should have just moved to the back of the bus? Simpletons.. You are all fvcking simple, narrow minded fvckers....
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Don't link black people and botty boys together. Blacks can't hide their race. What fags do in private is their own biz, but nooo the want to force everybody to acknowledge their sick acts as normal. Black people have fought hundreds of years to gain respect and now fags want to ride on their backs. Stool pushers don't know what true discrimination is. All they have to do is stop bending over for 5min and they can fit in.:disgust:
 
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