Question Gave my pc to brother-in-law, now confused with new build

[Temuka]

Hello fellas, so couple of days ago I gave my 4 year old pc (9700k,16gb RAM,MB,970 evo,2080 and psu) to my brother-in-law and now I'm without PC. Mainly I game AAA games on my 144hz 1440p LG monitor, no editing or coding etc,but for last years not so much and because of that we also bought 4k 120hz Sony tv (x90j) + switch (Nintendo) for couch gaming and family gatherings. My main goal is still to play on LG monitor, but wanna try also on TV (thus future proofing for 4k tv + maybe new monitor,dunno) All my builds always have been intel's latest gen cpu + nvidia gpu, but I haven't built for almost 5 years and now as I see things have kinda changed. My budget is something like 2k$ and I have to buy from amazon (no microcenter etc) I still have my pc case,cooler (dark rock pro 4) and couple of 4TB hdd's. What you guys recommend doing ? I saw that nvidia 4th series are upcoming and also intel and amd cpu's and all of this making me confused about new build. Should I also change my monitor or 1440p monitor + 4k TV combo is enough? Thanks in advance

 

[Tech Junky]

Well for $2K you won't be touching a RTX 4 as they're going to be hyper expensive at launch and would eat up maybe 75% of your budget leaving you with no running system.

I put together an ADL 12700K from the ground up for $1500 w/o a GPU. Now, my use is different as it's a 24/7 server build running several functions. Base working system though would start at about $1K.

RPL / AMD will blow your budget completely as well if you still want a higher end GPU.

Monitor's are subjective experiences. Do whatever works well for your eyes. I prefer 4K on my laptop and recently rebuilt a new laptop from a barebones pricing of $1300 and added a 4K120 panel to it for ~$300 vs the crappy FHD panel from the factory. Added some other things to the project and kept it under $2K for what something preconfigured would run up to $4K.

I would start out with PCPartPicker.com and build things there to see how things price out to get an idea of where you're going and how much it's going to cost.

 

[Temuka]

So I guess now is the time to wait for new cpu/gpu-s to stabilize market prices and also wait for some benchs and not buy anything before black friday ?

 

[Tech Junky]

If you need something now then there's no point in waiting or using the crystal ball method.

Sales aren't always the best time to buy either. I saved ~$100 by buying my stuff before BF last year. Retailers tend to mark up things before big sales to make it look like a bigger discount when in reality just a couple weeks prior the price was lower than the new sale price.

The biggest issue I see in what you're asking about is the GPU and whether to wait or not. Well, they're not cheap by any means at ~$1500 but, they are compared to the last couple of years. The flip side is you have to get higher watt PSU's to keep them fed. a 1000W seems to be the target and 12VHPWR standard brings an additional cost of ~$300 vs $150 for an 850W.

Now, if you went with ADL instead of RPL you can snag some deals and you're not missing out on any perks of the new release coming at the end of the month.

What are you planning on doing with the HDD's? NAS? What kind of storage needs do you have? HTPC? Plex?

Most GPU's won't have any issues with your monitor / TV setup. 4K of course will be slower FPS but, the picture would be fine.

 

[Temuka]

If you need something now then there's no point in waiting or using the crystal ball method.

Sales aren't always the best time to buy either. I saved ~$100 by buying my stuff before BF last year. Retailers tend to mark up things before big sales to make it look like a bigger discount when in reality just a couple weeks prior the price was lower than the new sale price.

The biggest issue I see in what you're asking about is the GPU and whether to wait or not. Well, they're not cheap by any means at ~$1500 but, they are compared to the last couple of years. The flip side is you have to get higher watt PSU's to keep them fed. a 1000W seems to be the target and 12VHPWR standard brings an additional cost of ~$300 vs $150 for an 850W.

Now, if you went with ADL instead of RPL you can snag some deals and you're not missing out on any perks of the new release coming at the end of the month.

What are you planning on doing with the HDD's? NAS? What kind of storage needs do you have? HTPC? Plex?

Most GPU's won't have any issues with your monitor / TV setup. 4K of course will be slower FPS but, the picture would be fine.

I use HDD's for work projects,will use samsung 980 pro for windows,programs etc...
I'm not in a hurry at all,can buy in november or even december-january but the main problem is I can't decide which patch to choose. AM4 or AM5 or even newest intel? ddr4 or ddr5? I update every 5 years if that matters,with previous pc lasted good 4 years for me and I want the same from the new one

 

[Tech Junky]

Well, let's break this down a bit,

DDR4 / Intel ADL / RPL + AMD 4
DDR5 - same but AMD 5 or as an option on the Intel side

DDR5 means you pay more overall and get very little benefit from it

AMD will cost about 50% more for a foundational build of components before even getting to the GPU options.

Lasting tech is easy to accomplish. I could have stuck with my 8700K build for another decade but, I like to play with things. I don't game on those systems though so they don't have a GPU to contend with. My laptop is ADL / 3060 though because it made more sense to go that level since the 3050 and below offered the same performance as the system it was replacing with a GTX in it.

If you want options to extend the life of the system the main thing will be a new PSU with the 12VHPWR connections for the GPU and either 850 or 1000 watts if you want a bit of room to breathe. If you went ADL you could squeeze it to an 850 which saves you cash and lets the supply build for a couple of years if you decide to upgrade the GPU again and buy a different PSU at a lower price point at that point.

For me I plan on changing things out every 2-3 years to recover funds from the current build to apply to the newest tech out. Right now my eyes are set on Arrow Lake in 2024/5 which bring chiplets and a new 2nm process on the CPU side and components they plan on wrapping on the substrate. Otherwise it take something significant like the jump to PCIE 5 which was a reason to skip the placeholder CPU's for 10/11th gen even though they offered PCIE4.

 

[Temuka]

Well, let's break this down a bit,

DDR4 / Intel ADL / RPL + AMD 4
DDR5 - same but AMD 5 or as an option on the Intel side

DDR5 means you pay more overall and get very little benefit from it

AMD will cost about 50% more for a foundational build of components before even getting to the GPU options.

Lasting tech is easy to accomplish. I could have stuck with my 8700K build for another decade but, I like to play with things. I don't game on those systems though so they don't have a GPU to contend with. My laptop is ADL / 3060 though because it made more sense to go that level since the 3050 and below offered the same performance as the system it was replacing with a GTX in it.

If you want options to extend the life of the system the main thing will be a new PSU with the 12VHPWR connections for the GPU and either 850 or 1000 watts if you want a bit of room to breathe. If you went ADL you could squeeze it to an 850 which saves you cash and lets the supply build for a couple of years if you decide to upgrade the GPU again and buy a different PSU at a lower price point at that point.

For me I plan on changing things out every 2-3 years to recover funds from the current build to apply to the newest tech out. Right now my eyes are set on Arrow Lake in 2024/5 which bring chiplets and a new 2nm process on the CPU side and components they plan on wrapping on the substrate. Otherwise it take something significant like the jump to PCIE 5 which was a reason to skip the placeholder CPU's for 10/11th gen even though they offered PCIE4.

So I guess raptor+ddr4 32gb+3080 will be optimal for 2-3 years ? But as always again I won't be able to change only cpu and will be in need to change whole system, correct ?

 

[Tech Junky]

For ADL / RPL they both use LGA1700 and AMD is switching to LGA1718 or something along those lines.

Intel at this point retains a socket for 2 generations and then switches it for the next release. AMD has a history of going longer but, who knows what they plan on doing moving forward as there's no track record to look at yet.

Well, you can swap from ADL >> RPL if you feel the need in a couple of years w/o needing to change anything else.

If you want to pay 2X the price of DDR4 you could get DDR5 and the more expensive board but, knowing not more than a year later the whole setup would need to be swapped out for the next gen CPU anyway why put the money into it?

3080 vs 4090 is a big difference in performance for virtually the same price while you couldn't get your hands on MSRP pricing for the last couple of years.

I see 14th gen CPU's being a single board use since the change coming with 15th ARL is the big change to 2nm architecture but, then again they might opt to keep the same real estate / socket moving forward since they will have flexibility in squeezing and rearranging things on the die with the cjuplet design.

There's quite a bit up in the air over the next few releases for all of the major players. If you build a good foundation with a good mix of PCIE slots it shouldn't be too bad to just swap the GPU if you needed something more powerful in a couple of years but, as it stands games really aren't pushing the limits with PCIE 4 or 5 bandwidth. The main issue at this point is HW power demand for the new GPU's and CPU's. If you add a 5th gen NVME to the mix then you also have lanes to deal with besides the active cooling needed for the drive itself.

It's a losing battle when it comes to retaining value with tech depreciation which is why I only hold onto systems for a short period at this point. Back 10-20 years ago things didn't change annually to make a difference in the specs as much. Now though every gen seems to be doubling the bus speeds for different things.