Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: gsethi
Originally posted by: minendo
The employee has the right to refuse to sign it.
True...but at least let me know if you are going to show up next scheduled day or not (especially since you are walking out) and there is no reason to scream or give an attitude (just say it politely)
Then why'd you keep pressing the issue of signing it?
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Because he is the boss and you can't have employees that don't respect that. The employee doesn't have to sign the warning, and the employer doesn't have to keep him employed either. I would write in his file that the employee voluntarily left his job by walking off the job.
That way you don't have to pay for unemployment. If he shows up for his next shift, tell him when he walked off the job it was a sign of him terminating his employment. If he wants to continue working there, he will need to be re-hired (at a lower salary of course).
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Because he is the boss and you can't have employees that don't respect that. The employee doesn't have to sign the warning, and the employer doesn't have to keep him employed either. I would write in his file that the employee voluntarily left his job by walking off the job.
That way you don't have to pay for unemployment. If he shows up for his next shift, tell him when he walked off the job it was a sign of him terminating his employment. If he wants to continue working there, he will need to be re-hired (at a lower salary of course).
That MIGHT fly in Tex-Ass, but not in any of the "civilized" states...![]()
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Because he is the boss and you can't have employees that don't respect that. The employee doesn't have to sign the warning, and the employer doesn't have to keep him employed either. I would write in his file that the employee voluntarily left his job by walking off the job.
That way you don't have to pay for unemployment. If he shows up for his next shift, tell him when he walked off the job it was a sign of him terminating his employment. If he wants to continue working there, he will need to be re-hired (at a lower salary of course).
That MIGHT fly in Tex-Ass, but not in any of the "civilized" states...![]()
Oh by "civilized" you mean Nanny States. Someone walks off the job that's a sign that they quit. Sorry, I have a business to run and can't 2nd guess someones actions.
I've had similar incidents when I was a manager, and someone stormed off before the end of their shift. I filled out the paperwork and recorded them as a self-termination.
punched out on the time machine(was getting off ~5 min later
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Obviously reading isn't your strong suite, He said he'd go get a different job.Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: minendo
The employee has the right to refuse to sign it.
And I've so refused to sign a few times...
"Here sign this. We're writing you up for insubordination."
"Fuck you, I ain't signing that!"
"Well you HAVE to sign it!"
"Fuck you, I'm NOT signing it and you can wipe your fat ass with it for all I care."
"Well, I'll just fire you then."
"Go ahead, I can use a few days off. Then I'll call the union hall, they'll make you reinstate me with full pay for the time I was off, and we'll be back to square one....go get my checks so I can have a fucking vacation! "
The nerve of some people...thinking that I might be insubordinate..stupid pricks.
Gawd I loved the years when construction jobs were so plentiful that you could quit one at noon and be working somewhere else the following morning...<sigh>
Those days are gone...for now...but they'll be back. (I hope)
Thank god for unions so losers like you can do a shitty job and get promoted for it. :roll:
Originally posted by: gsethi
Originally posted by: minendo
The employee has the right to refuse to sign it.
True...but at least let me know if you are going to show up next scheduled day or not (especially since you are walking out) and there is no reason to scream or give an attitude (just say it politely)
punched out on the time machine(was getting off ~5 min later
Originally posted by: gsethi
From the original post:
punched out on the time machine(was getting off ~5 min later
Are you posting from work? You're not working if you are, after all, if you have time to nef on ATOT, you have time to do something productive...should you (and for that matter, most of ATOT) be fired? You're stealing from your employer!
Update: No call, no show by the employee. Employee was on regular schedule for this week.
Originally posted by: gsethi
From the original post:
punched out on the time machine(was getting off ~5 min later
Are you posting from work? You're not working if you are, after all, if you have time to nef on ATOT, you have time to do something productive...should you (and for that matter, most of ATOT) be fired? You're stealing from your employer!
Originally posted by: gsethi
EDIT: (Complete Story)
I own couple of Franchises. The warnings were for not wearing proper uniform.
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: ric1287
The whole "signing warnings" thing is stupid anyhow.
"I'm going to yell at you for doing something wrong, now please sign this waiver stating that I yelled at you"
it's a legal thing.
companies usually file these warnings under employee records.
if the employee is fired, and happens to sue for some kind of illegetimate termination, then the company has evidence to defend itself.
Originally posted by: soxfan
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: ric1287
The whole "signing warnings" thing is stupid anyhow.
"I'm going to yell at you for doing something wrong, now please sign this waiver stating that I yelled at you"
it's a legal thing.
companies usually file these warnings under employee records.
if the employee is fired, and happens to sue for some kind of illegetimate termination, then the company has evidence to defend itself.
I'm a lawyer, but because this is a forum and I am shooting from the hip this is not legal advice. rely on it at your own risk.
If you are the owner of a franchise, most of your employees should be "at will" employees. That is, you can fire them for whatever the hell reason you want, so long as that reason is not prohibited by law (e.g., race, sex, sexual orientation etc.). Just tell the person that their services are no longer required. If they ask why, just say that they are an at will employee, and that they are no longer employeed at your franchise.
Originally posted by: soxfan
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: ric1287
The whole "signing warnings" thing is stupid anyhow.
"I'm going to yell at you for doing something wrong, now please sign this waiver stating that I yelled at you"
it's a legal thing.
companies usually file these warnings under employee records.
if the employee is fired, and happens to sue for some kind of illegetimate termination, then the company has evidence to defend itself.
I'm a lawyer, but because this is a forum and I am shooting from the hip this is not legal advice. rely on it at your own risk.
If you are the owner of a franchise, most of your employees should be "at will" employees. That is, you can fire them for whatever the hell reason you want, so long as that reason is not prohibited by law (e.g., race, sex, sexual orientation etc.). Just tell the person that their services are no longer required. If they ask why, just say that they are an at will employee, and that they are no longer employeed at your franchise.
Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Now 7 pieces of flair is the minimum...and if you want to do the minimum that's fine...but Edward over there has 22 pieces of flair on
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: soxfan
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: ric1287
The whole "signing warnings" thing is stupid anyhow.
"I'm going to yell at you for doing something wrong, now please sign this waiver stating that I yelled at you"
it's a legal thing.
companies usually file these warnings under employee records.
if the employee is fired, and happens to sue for some kind of illegetimate termination, then the company has evidence to defend itself.
I'm a lawyer, but because this is a forum and I am shooting from the hip this is not legal advice. rely on it at your own risk.
If you are the owner of a franchise, most of your employees should be "at will" employees. That is, you can fire them for whatever the hell reason you want, so long as that reason is not prohibited by law (e.g., race, sex, sexual orientation etc.). Just tell the person that their services are no longer required. If they ask why, just say that they are an at will employee, and that they are no longer employeed at your franchise.
True, but this is Kahleeforneeya, and he's trying to avoid having to pay the unemployment for this person. If he just lets them go with no reason, (at-will status) he'll definitely get stuck for the unemployment. He needs a valid reason to fire him/her if he doesn't want to pay unemployment.
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: soxfan
Originally posted by: astroidea
Originally posted by: ric1287
The whole "signing warnings" thing is stupid anyhow.
"I'm going to yell at you for doing something wrong, now please sign this waiver stating that I yelled at you"
it's a legal thing.
companies usually file these warnings under employee records.
if the employee is fired, and happens to sue for some kind of illegetimate termination, then the company has evidence to defend itself.
I'm a lawyer, but because this is a forum and I am shooting from the hip this is not legal advice. rely on it at your own risk.
If you are the owner of a franchise, most of your employees should be "at will" employees. That is, you can fire them for whatever the hell reason you want, so long as that reason is not prohibited by law (e.g., race, sex, sexual orientation etc.). Just tell the person that their services are no longer required. If they ask why, just say that they are an at will employee, and that they are no longer employeed at your franchise.
bingo
Every retail place I have worked at has made me sign and agreement that they can fire me whenever the hell they want, which is perfectly fine.
If you can't get employees to listen to you, you either:
A: suck balls at being a manager.
B: are hiring the wrong people in the first place.
