Gateway XHD3000 30" 2560x1600 monster

n7

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How in the world is everyone here not discussing this gift from heaven?! :Q:D

Looks like an amazing LCD...loaded to the hilt with awesomeness :D

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=9166
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/m...ay/20071004093742.html
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34194/135/
http://techgage.com/article/di...he_showfloor_-_part_2/


From TechGage:
Gateway

In years past, Gateway's products never really grabbed my attention. This year is certainly different. First, they launched a great-looking 24" monitor that had picture-quality and a feature-set that surpassed the competition. Then they were aquired by Acer. Then they announced the Gateway One. However, as great as all of that is... the product that truly impressed me was their XHD3000 30" Widescreen monitor.

The XHD3000 is a 30" monitor that offers 2560x1600 resolution, usual fare. It offers support for 1600P video and every connector you will ever need: Single/Dual-Link DVI, VGA, Composite, Component, HDMI and even the classic S-Video. Unlike most other 30" panels, this one offers a very bright 400 cd/m2 display, with a contrast ratio of 1000:1 and 6ms response time. Compared to the 30" Dell HC monitor I've been using for the past two months, there is really no comparison when it comes to brightness and color vibrance.

The most impressive feature about the monitor though, is it's upscaling capabilities. Equipped with a Silicon Optix Realta HQV video processor, any input run through the monitor can be upscaled to the screens native resolution. When I first passed by, an HD-DVD of Willy Wonka was playing and the quality was striking. I had first thought it was an actual TV until I looked closer.

To further show off upscaling abilities, a Gateway representative loaded up a copy of Bioshock, set the resolution to 1024x768 and loaded up a saved game. Now, clearly the ultra-low resolution is going to be noticeable when run full-screen, simply because things in the game will appear larger as is always the case. However, what was surprising was the fact that the game did not look that bad.. it was completely playable, despite the black bars on each side (due to differing aspect ratios).

The test that sold me though, was when Bioshock was set to 1920x1200 resolution and then run. The reason I was most interested in this setting is because I run an older MMORPG game at that same resolution on the Dell 30" HC monitor, because the game engine was developed before the 30" resolution existed and so it's not supported. When set to 1920x1200 and "upscaled", it looks horrible. Colors are faded, fonts are somewhat blotchy. It's simply not a desirable setting... one that you would certainly not deliberately choose to use.

Bioshock however, looked simply incredible, despite being at a non-native resolution. In fact, I actually found it quite difficult to see any differences between the two resolutions. The thought popped into my head, "What about the in-game fonts and menus?", but the rep loaded up the menu and I was surprised to see that all of the characters were just as aliased as though it was a native resolution. Again making it even more difficult to distinguish the fact that it was being run in a non-native resolution.


I might sound a bit excited about this product, but it's for good reason. I walked away from Gateway's booth with plans to purchase one of these become available. This after seeing just a five-minute demo... it's that good. We will certainly be following up on all of these thoughts once we get our hands on one to experiment with in greater detail. Without question, if we had such a thing, Gateway's XHD3000 would get our product of the show award. You can pick one up sometime in October for around $1,699, which includes 8-channel speakers.


:heart:

No more arguments for you LCD TV buyers anymore if this is as good as it's being described.
Time for the rest of you to move up to 2560x1600 :D
 

SirFelixCat

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n7...

You know I'm in the market for a 30" monitor and was surely going the HP direction until this (due to it being HDCP complient vs the Dell)...


Talk me off (or onto this one) ledge. Seriously. I'm pulling the trigger w/i 2 weeks now....
 

n7

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yep, was reading about this in another forum. I can only dream of owning this monitor. Lucky sob. I know you're going to get it N7, just promise not to rub it in too much. :(

Also, this is a PVA panel correct? I would think IPS would've been a better choice.

Now Available at Gateway: Gateway XHD3000 30"

Eh, i don't think i'll be getting this anytime soon, though don't get me wrong, i'd love to.

I personally have zero use for the extra inputs as i play DVDs thru my PC, & don't play consoles, so the main benefit to myself would be the hardware upscaling (which sounds absolutely amazing & makes me wanna spend money i don't have :p).

Yeah. S-IPS woulda been better than S-PVA IMO, but good S-PVA displays are still absolutely superb, & are often better than IPS with uncalibrated settings (e.g., look at the 305T vs. 3007WFP-HC reviews w/o calibration).


 

n7

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Originally posted by: SirFelixCat
n7...

You know I'm in the market for a 30" monitor and was surely going the HP direction until this (due to it being HDCP complient vs the Dell)...


Talk me off (or onto this one) ledge. Seriously. I'm pulling the trigger w/i 2 weeks now....

Eh?

The HP LP3065 & both Dell 30" (3007WFP & WFP-HC) are HDCP compliant.
It's the Samsung 305T that isn't.

What can i say.
To me, there's no question i'd go the Gateway direction, purely for the hardware scaling alone.
If you can make use of the plethora of video inputs & USB hub, even better :)

So yeah, Gateway ftw easily IMO.
 

chizow

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Wow, looks to be a nice panel indeed. Seems to fix all that was wrong/lacking with the Dell 3007. The upscaling quality sounds superb and works around the insane GPU requirements of running 2560x1600 natively. S-PVA keeps the costs down and isn't it faster than S-IPS with both input lag and response time? One thing to keep an eye out for though is the inverse ghosting/overdrive the 24" suffers from, although it really doesn't bother me and is only prevalent in certain situations/color schemes.
 

ayabe

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If I could get a single videocard to power this I would be all over it. Without SLI or Xfire these are still out of reach for a lot of us who play a lot of games and demand acceptable frames.
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: ayabe
If I could get a single videocard to power this I would be all over it. Without SLI or Xfire these are still out of reach for a lot of us who play a lot of games and demand acceptable frames.

But you can...one of the main features of this panel is the much-improved upscaling of non-native resolutions. That means you can run 1920x1200 and have it look nearly as good as if you ran the same game at 2560x1600, but the actual pixel count (and approximate GPU load) is half as much.

If you wanted to drop even lower, you could run 1680x1050 and upscale it to 2560x1600 and still have a good quality image filling all 30" of your panel, which is certainly a manageable resolution for a G80/R600 and even newer titles.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: chizow
Originally posted by: ayabe
If I could get a single videocard to power this I would be all over it. Without SLI or Xfire these are still out of reach for a lot of us who play a lot of games and demand acceptable frames.

But you can...one of the main features of this panel is the much-improved upscaling of non-native resolutions. That means you can run 1920x1200 and have it look nearly as good as if you ran the same game at 2560x1600, but the actual pixel count (and approximate GPU load) is half as much.

If you wanted to drop even lower, you could run 1680x1050 and upscale it to 2560x1600 and still have a good quality image filling all 30" of your panel, which is certainly a manageable resolution for a G80/R600 and even newer titles.

OK, somehow that entire thing flew right over my despite being bolded by the OP.

I will go sit in the corner.

I fully endorse this panel, :thumbsup:
 

ArchAngel777

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Originally posted by: n7


No more arguments for you LCD TV buyers anymore if this is as good as it's being described.
Time for the rest of you to move up to 2560x1600 :D

Wow, this is VERY impressive. Looks like it will be my next purchase, unless I decide that 30" is too large. Yeah, no argument from me anymore...

 

JAG87

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I fail to see how the HQV scaler does a better job than an 8800 GTX at upscaling to 2560x1600.

But indeed this is a wonderful product. You can finally plug in your PS3 or Xbox 360 with 720p or 1080p resolution via HDMI or Component and actually get a nice picture.

If the scaler interpolates well, you will actually get a better picture on this panel because the pixel pitch is much smaller than 1920x1200 would be on the same area.
 

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Yeah, a home theatre review guy on the hardforum thread said that it was "hard to tell the difference between upscaled 480 dvds and 1080 hd pictures" on this display. Looks like a sweet crossover display. Too pricey tho imho.

Peace,

EK2K
 

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Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yep, was reading about this in another forum. I can only dream of owning this monitor. Lucky sob. I know you're going to get it N7, just promise not to rub it in too much. :(

Also, this is a PVA panel correct? I would think IPS would've been a better choice.

Now Available at Gateway: Gateway XHD3000 30"

Is there 30" IPS panel at all? Dell 30", HP 30" and Samsung 30" - they all use Samsung S-PVA panels.
 

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Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yep, was reading about this in another forum. I can only dream of owning this monitor. Lucky sob. I know you're going to get it N7, just promise not to rub it in too much. :(

Also, this is a PVA panel correct? I would think IPS would've been a better choice.

Now Available at Gateway: Gateway XHD3000 30"

Is there 30" IPS panel at all? Dell 30", HP 30" and Samsung 30" - they all use Samsung S-PVA panels.

Dell 30" (3007WFP-HC), HP 30" (HP LP3065), and the Apple Cinema 30" use S-IPS panels.

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I would be all over this if it was closer to the $1000 range.

Your prayers have been answered.

http://www.buy.com/prod/samsun...loc/101/204106063.html
 
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Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yep, was reading about this in another forum. I can only dream of owning this monitor. Lucky sob. I know you're going to get it N7, just promise not to rub it in too much. :(

Also, this is a PVA panel correct? I would think IPS would've been a better choice.

Now Available at Gateway: Gateway XHD3000 30"

Is there 30" IPS panel at all? Dell 30", HP 30" and Samsung 30" - they all use Samsung S-PVA panels.

Dell 30" (3007WFP-HC), HP 30" (HP LP3065), and the Apple Cinema 30" use S-IPS panels.

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I would be all over this if it was closer to the $1000 range.

Your prayers have been answered.

http://www.buy.com/prod/samsun...loc/101/204106063.html

the appeal was the fact that gateway provides the plethora of inputs. The Sammy only has DVI i think
 

chizow

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Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
Originally posted by: xtknight
Originally posted by: postmortemIA
Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Yep, was reading about this in another forum. I can only dream of owning this monitor. Lucky sob. I know you're going to get it N7, just promise not to rub it in too much. :(

Also, this is a PVA panel correct? I would think IPS would've been a better choice.

Now Available at Gateway: Gateway XHD3000 30"

Is there 30" IPS panel at all? Dell 30", HP 30" and Samsung 30" - they all use Samsung S-PVA panels.

Dell 30" (3007WFP-HC), HP 30" (HP LP3065), and the Apple Cinema 30" use S-IPS panels.

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
I would be all over this if it was closer to the $1000 range.

Your prayers have been answered.

http://www.buy.com/prod/samsun...loc/101/204106063.html

the appeal was the fact that gateway provides the plethora of inputs. The Sammy only has DVI i think

Definitely, along with the seemingly improved upscaling capabilities. There's certainly merit when comparing S-IPS to S-PVA/P-MVA, so if you want to have the best possible 30" PC monitor you may still want to go with one of the S-IPS panels listed above. For those looking to make the cross-over and have an amazing PC monitor that functions seemlessly as a 30" HDTV (sans remote), this is the best possible option atm. After owning a 24" that functions as both a monitor and HDTV, I'd say the difference between S-IPS and S-PVA/P-MVA is less than the functionality/features you get from multiple inputs and upscaling.
 

n7

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Yeah, as much as S-IPS/AS-IPS is superb (more noticeably so when calibrated properly), i really don't see all that much of a difference myself.
I am extremely satisfied using either S-PVA/P-MVA or IPS varients.

As long it's one of the aforementioned, i find quality very good.

This Gateway is everything that's been missing in the 30" space, & the upscaling ability sounds amazing.

If the difference between say 1680x1050 upscaled to 2560x1600 is truely not noticeable, it would be absolutely awesome for us gamers, since thus far, i've yet to use an LCD i can tolerate how it upscales games.

I'm hoping we get this as an option to order at werk...would be amazing if i could test it out myself, but that's a longshot.
 

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Yes this monitor looks fantastic if it does everything it says on the spec. I'd love to hear first-hand experience of this upscaling feature, too.
 

lopri

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I'm loving this.

? HDMI (x1) (supports 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p)
? Analog (VGA): 15-pin mini d-sub VGA (maximum 1920 x 1280 resolution)
? Digital (DVI-D): 24-pin (single-link DVI max 1920 x 1280 and dual-link DVI max 2560 x 1600) DVD-D (supports 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p). Includes HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection)
? Composite video
? S-Video
? Component Y Pb Pr (supports 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p)
? Discrete audio inputs along with analog, coax and SPDIF audio out.
? AC power input
? USB 2.0 (4)

http://www.gateway.com/media/p...mntr_XHD3000_ports.jpg

Looks like it comes with a decent speaker, too. I'm going to wait till Dell/HP come out with comprable products so that prices drop for the holiday season. But this monitor is almost like dream come true.
 

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With the hardware scaler, might lag be an issue? It takes some time, however slight, to upscale the data and display it. I know on home theater video processors, many accept audio inputs so that the audio signal can be kept in sync with the upscaled video.

It does sound like a great display though.

I wish we would see some movement with LED backlights on desktop displays. When that happens, I might finally be tempted away from my 2070SB.

-KeithP
 

SirFelixCat

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So I was reading engadgets short piece on this and a Gateway Rep made some comments regarding upscaling and how it helps to increase FPS in online gaming. Just wow. I'm sold:


Link here to his comments

yes it up-scales computer images as well including both VGA, Single Link DVI, Dual Link DVI & HDMI. One of the best demos is running Bioshock off a notebook from VGA at 1024x768 and have it run beautifully full screen on the XHD3000. The image is softer due to the lower resolution, but looks great. We showed a very similar demo at Digital Life to astonished attendees. Looking forward to users buying this and posting their own success stories. Basically, you can now scale game resolutions to the best optimization of frame rate for multiplayer on the net, versus native resolution of the display. Again the Silicon Optix Realta processor running at 1 trillion operations per second is letting us do this awesome scaling. When the next high end game comes in and your computer/video card(s) can't handle native resolution at solid frame rates, just drop it down a resolution notch or two and it's really hard to tell your not running native res, but your frame rate improvement will be very noticeable
 

xtknight

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Keep in mind frame rate doesn't have much to do with input lag. Also keep in mind Gateway had a shill at the HardForum on the XHD3000 thread.