haha, I like your post the best b/c it's true! The world is gonna end!Originally posted by: blahblah99
Don't worry, in 20 years we won't even have to worry about gas prices anymore.. cause there won't be any oil left!
haha, I like your post the best b/c it's true! The world is gonna end!Originally posted by: blahblah99
Don't worry, in 20 years we won't even have to worry about gas prices anymore.. cause there won't be any oil left!
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ahh, trucker convention came to town , truckers cry
say its costing them more than a grand a week more these days
truckers looked at biodiesel
truckers sad.
Originally posted by: Zebo
Are you guys really that close to the edge where even doubling gas prices will effect you? $3 meh BFD. I don't mean to sound pompus or anything but you should'nt even own a car then, period. First rule is always pay yourself first at least 10% of salary, I don't care if I worked at McDonalds I would save exactly 53 cents an hour, so I could handle rough spots and emergencies like maybe an arrest, maybe a health condition, and just maybe a hot insider stock tip.( I saved 90% while in military because they were kind enough to provide room and board, what a deal huh!!! ) Then you worry about rent and food. Last is car. Car is a total luxury Item, I know, i survived w/o one for a couple years. How? I moved real close to work (4 roomates), close like biking distance. I paid freinds to take me places (they thought they were getting a good deal when I agreed to pay 100% of gas forgetting thier wear and tear, car payment, insurance which far exceed gas prices per mile) Which leads me to my next point, cars in general are a total waste, averaging out at about $8000 a year for a $20,000 car when you include gas, tires, oil etc, insurance, loan or lease. WTH would you buy something that costs that much, depreciates almost as fast as computers, when thier are options to save for a real asset, like real estate?
Anyway, My hope is about $10-$12 a gallon only because I think most adults can handle anything under that. Would really get us serious about conservation and alternatives, clean up the air, and get the riff-raff off the road. Waayy to many people driving for road capacities.
Besides, you guys know gas prices are still lower than the rate of inflation.. What you expecting it to stay 17cents or a dollar forever?
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Zebo
Are you guys really that close to the edge where even doubling gas prices will effect you? $3 meh BFD. I don't mean to sound pompus or anything but you should'nt even own a car then, period. First rule is always pay yourself first at least 10% of salary, I don't care if I worked at McDonalds I would save exactly 53 cents an hour, so I could handle rough spots and emergencies like maybe an arrest, maybe a health condition, and just maybe a hot insider stock tip.( I saved 90% while in military because they were kind enough to provide room and board, what a deal huh!!! ) Then you worry about rent and food. Last is car. Car is a total luxury Item, I know, i survived w/o one for a couple years. How? I moved real close to work (4 roomates), close like biking distance. I paid freinds to take me places (they thought they were getting a good deal when I agreed to pay 100% of gas forgetting thier wear and tear, car payment, insurance which far exceed gas prices per mile) Which leads me to my next point, cars in general are a total waste, averaging out at about $8000 a year for a $20,000 car when you include gas, tires, oil etc, insurance, loan or lease. WTH would you buy something that costs that much, depreciates almost as fast as computers, when thier are options to save for a real asset, like real estate?
Anyway, My hope is about $10-$12 a gallon only because I think most adults can handle anything under that. Would really get us serious about conservation and alternatives, clean up the air, and get the riff-raff off the road. Waayy to many people driving for road capacities.
Besides, you guys know gas prices are still lower than the rate of inflation.. What you expecting it to stay 17cents or a dollar forever?
Ughh. Why the fsck do people always think that the price of gas only effects commuters in their cars? It affects so much more than that it is not even funny. Oil and gas are EVERYTHING.
If gas goes to $12/gal., then milk will go to $15/gal. or more. What do you think all those oil-burning big rigs on the highways are carrying? The things you need to survive. Your food and your clothing. If their costs go up, then the prices of what they're hauling go up accordingly. The burden will spead around and inflation will result. Interest rates will spike (Alan hasn't stopped yet) and your precious sure-fire property investments will depreciate because no one will be able to afford to borrow the money to buy them. All this happened before the last time gas prices shot up, so let's hope it happens again, eh?
So keep dreaming of your car-less utopia that would only happen if gas prices quintupled and pass me whatever that is that you're smoking, because it must be some really good sh!t.
precious sure-fire property investments will depreciate
No, the resulting inflation will just devalue your holdings (and everyone elses' too). After the shock sets in and the inflation has settled and is more or less evenly dispersed, things will go back to normal.Originally posted by: Zebo
When did I say it only effects commuters. Sure that's one benefit we get out of it, nearly empty roads. But it's not the only. Much more.
Heh. Did you know that when the car was introduced to NYC it was hailed as an environmental wonder? It sounds strange now, but imagine what a million-plus horses would do on an island of only 31 square miles.Originally posted by: Zebo
Vic, did I ever tell I liked westerns?
I don't see how the free ride is ending. Oil prices aren't going up because the world is running out of oil. There seems to be no sign of that yet. Instead, oil prices are going up because the US dollar has devalued internationally (checked the exchange rates lately?).Originally posted by: Zebo
What I think is really going to happen if what these oil execs say is true...more or less 10 years of peak and downward spiral after that, we'll build more nuke plants and fire cars with lithum sufide batteries or hydrogen from the energy these plants produce. Right now oil is basically a free energy source, actually have to cap the stuff from comming out the ground (remeber Saddams bonfires) So basically anytime we try and make endroads and major capital expense the ROI is very poor compared to almost free oil.. the equation I think they use is BTU/dollar. Anyway it's like 10:1 to use alternatives. So My point is we'll just have to get used to higher prices pretty much always, free ride is over.
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
A lot of behemoth SUV owners are going to become whiney bytches.![]()
Originally posted by: SithSolo1
Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
A lot of behemoth SUV owners are going to become whiney bytches.![]()
Well most SUV owners have more money than they average person so I don't think it will hurt us too much.![]()
That said regular is over $2 here now.
Gas prices extend record climb(national avg. $2.159)Originally posted by: Vic
Ughh. Why the fsck do people always think that the price of gas only effects commuters in their cars? It affects so much more than that it is not even funny. Oil and gas are EVERYTHING.
If gas goes to $12/gal., then milk will go to $15/gal. or more. What do you think all those oil-burning big rigs on the highways are carrying? The things you need to survive. Your food and your clothing. If their costs go up, then the prices of what they're hauling go up accordingly. The burden will spead around and inflation will result. Interest rates will spike (Alan hasn't stopped yet) and your precious sure-fire property investments will depreciate because no one will be able to afford to borrow the money to buy them. All this happened before the last time gas prices shot up, so let's hope it happens again, eh?
So keep dreaming of your car-less utopia that would only happen if gas prices quintupled and pass me whatever that is that you're smoking, because it must be some really good sh!t.
Umm, you just pwn3d yourself, LOL.Originally posted by: conjur
Sure.Originally posted by: Vic
:roll: As soon as Congress repeals the Law of Conservation of Energy, right? :roll:Originally posted by: conjur
From the air? From water?
http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/production/basics.html
About 95% of the hydrogen we use today comes from reforming natural gas. The remainder, high-purity hydrogen from water electrolysis, is produced using electricity mainly generated by burning fossil fuels. Some of the specific technologies used to produce hydrogen include:
-Steam reforming converts methane (and other hydrocarbons in natural gas) into hydrogen and carbon monoxide by reaction with steam over a nickel catalyst
-Electrolysis uses electrical current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen
-Steam electrolysis utilizes high temperature heat to reduce electricity requirements for hydrogen production
-Thermochemical water splitting uses chemicals and heat in multiple steps to split water into its component parts
-Photoelectrochemical systems use semi-conducting materials (like photovoltaics) to split water using only sunlight
-Photobiological systems use microorganisms to split water using sunlight
-Biological systems use microbes to break down a variety of biomass feedstocks into hydrogen
-Thermal water splitting uses a very high temperature (approximately 1000°C) to split water Gasification uses heat to break down biomass or coal into a gas from which pure hydrogen can be generated
Originally posted by: conjur
High Fuel Prices Hitting City Emergency Vehicle Fleets
http://www.wral.com/news/4333418/detail.html
Originally posted by: Eli
Umm, you just pwn3d yourself, LOL.Originally posted by: conjur
Sure.Originally posted by: Vic
:roll: As soon as Congress repeals the Law of Conservation of Energy, right? :roll:Originally posted by: conjur
From the air? From water?
http://www.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/production/basics.html
About 95% of the hydrogen we use today comes from reforming natural gas. The remainder, high-purity hydrogen from water electrolysis, is produced using electricity mainly generated by burning fossil fuels. Some of the specific technologies used to produce hydrogen include:
-Steam reforming converts methane (and other hydrocarbons in natural gas) into hydrogen and carbon monoxide by reaction with steam over a nickel catalyst
-Electrolysis uses electrical current to split water into hydrogen and oxygen
-Steam electrolysis utilizes high temperature heat to reduce electricity requirements for hydrogen production
-Thermochemical water splitting uses chemicals and heat in multiple steps to split water into its component parts
-Photoelectrochemical systems use semi-conducting materials (like photovoltaics) to split water using only sunlight
-Photobiological systems use microorganisms to split water using sunlight
-Biological systems use microbes to break down a variety of biomass feedstocks into hydrogen
-Thermal water splitting uses a very high temperature (approximately 1000°C) to split water
-Gasification uses heat to break down biomass or coal into a gas from which pure hydrogen can be generated
Originally posted by: conjur
Gas prices dry up volunteer drivers
Charities find help is harder to locate as costs at the pump continue to increase.
http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/0503/31/B01-134913.htm
FARMINGTON HILLS -- High gas prices are pinching the pocketbooks of charities and other organizations that need drivers to do their good deeds.
"We used to just be able to put an ad in a church paper or on our cable show and people would respond," said Mary DiManno, supervisor of the Farmington Hills senior division, which operates a meals on wheels program to deliver food to senior citizens. "Now, it's like no one is responding. The gas is almost as expensive as their time."
Unlike some other communities, Farmington Hills does not reimburse drivers for mileage. The volunteers can deduct the miles from their taxes, but the IRS allows only a 14-cent per mile deduction for charitable miles,
The laws of physics.Originally posted by: conjur
Oh?
Who's to say those percentages can't change?
Am I wrong to think that this can in great part be solved by all the anti-nuclear nuts shutting the hell up and moving far more of the power grid to nuclear? That way we can get plenty of easy electricity and extract our pure hydrogen with it.Originally posted by: Vic
The laws of physics.Originally posted by: conjur
Oh?
Who's to say those percentages can't change?
Energy does not come out of nowhere. Oil is the stored energy of sunlight captured by plants millions of years ago. All other forms of energy (except nuclear and hydro) require that we expend more energy in its creation than we can recapture. Net gain negative.
I've often noticed that the leftist side of the energy debate tends to have some whacky and completely unscientific ideas. Things like electric cars don't use fossil fuels or lead to pollution (apparently electricity out of the wall sockets is created by magic), that we can recapture more energy in the form of hydrogen than we expend in the process of electrolysis extracting the hydrogen from the water, and that hybrid cars run on some type of power other than gasoline (apparently the electrical power in the batteries comes from magic and not from the generator powered by the gasoline engine).
Ridiculous sh!t like that. Then they like to argue that jacking the price of oil to obsence heights will somehow force these "alternative" energies. Ignorance.
There are only TWO forms of capturable energy on the planet. The sun and the earth itself. Solar (still not cost effective), geothermal (the mass of the earth itself creates heat and pressure within it), hydropower (essentially solar), nuclear (essentially solar, all heavy atoms are created inside stars), and biological/argricultural (which was what oil essentially is, but from millions of years ago). Our best hope for an alternative to oil is to GROW our fuels (vegetable oils and alcohol) and to recycle our used biomass (ConAgra has turned this into very promising technology).
But lefties don't like that because it's not clean enough ("hydrogen burns clean") and so they have us chasing fantasies.
Originally posted by: FlyLice
I read Oil might drop to $28/barrel this summer.
