Gas Prices.......grrr...

[CompuWife]

Ok...I am not a crusader of causes or anything, but this not only makes me angry but frightens me. It frightens me enough to go out and fill every jerry can I own and buy a wood stove.
It angers me enough to create this web page:
Outrageous!
Make your voice be heard, however quietly.
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yes, I know the page looks like crap, but it's not there to entertain!

 

[Aquaman]

CompuWife....... I know how you feel Eventhough OPEC has increased production by 800K barrels a day and eventhough many countries are considering lowering gas taxes........ many experts feel that the price of gas will not come down for 3 or more months.

Eventhough, the price of gas is high in Canada, I feel very lucky that I don't live in other countries that have to pay 2 to 3 times as much as I do (69 cents a litre Cdn or $1.75 per Gallon US)

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[CompuWife]

I honestly think that it is only a matter of time before we start paying the same for gas.
I don't feel fortunate at all that we are paying less now than the Europeans are. I feel that our position will be the same as them sooner or later.
And sure, our politicians are promising tax cuts in gas...but I'm sure they will just create a new tax or fee to compensate for the lost tax dollars.

 

[hans007]

well we can build fuel cell cars hopefully by the time gas is that much

 

[Raj]

u know someone built a car engine that ran solely on corn alchol. of course the oil companies came in and bought the guy out. in order to keep the world at there mercy

 

[CompuWife]

That doesn't surprise me in the least.
I'm sure somebody may have built a vehicle that could run on water and the gas companies bought him/her out to eliminate competition. But then again, i'm not too objective on the subject.

 

[thedarkwolf]

I have read at other places people in south america do run there cars on corn alcohol/ethanol and that it really doesn't take much to convert a car over.

found it

discussion about it don't know if this link will work

worked for me atleast.

 

[etech]

CompuWife, I'm confused, who are you protesting? Are you protesting the governments that are charging 80% of the cost of fuel in taxes. Are you protesting the governments that have no energy policy.
Were you happy during the time of very low gas prices as oil wells were being shut in and exploratory drilling was stopped?

Please research and put this on your page.
What is the price of gas now as compared to other commodites when adjusted for inflation as compared to 10, 20 and 30 years ago?

BTW, the engine that runs on water is an urban ledgend, no such animal.

 

[BiB]

what makes me mad enough to spit taks and bust caps is the fact that Canada, where I live, is one of the few industrialized energy-independent nations in the world. We make 50% more oil than we use (read that yesterday). Nice eh? Well I guess not - because I am now paying $.85 per litre. 6 years ago it was $.47. A week ago it was $.794 Very recently it was low 70's. I have a 50 litre car. Soon it is going to cost me 50 god-damned dollars to fill it up. Sure its worse in Europe but a full half of all money spent on gas is in taxes. I understand the OPEC situation but as gas prices increase gov't is making more in taxes and so far the provinces have not even considered lowering their cut on taxes (other than PEI where the provincial gov't subsidizes to stabilize prices).

They sure better spend this money right...

I predict that we'll never see significantly lowered prices again - at least not long term - high prices are here to stay. Sucks to be an SUV/V8 mustang owner...makes me want to buy a bloody Toyota Echo! I also hope alternative energies are not long in coming mainstream. As I understand it the new Dodge Charger has some alternative setup going and still maintains a great deal of horse power and cruising range.

This stuff is _really_ starting to worry me. I'm glad that I don't live in transportation for a living (truck driver, cab driver). Thankfully the commute to work is only about 15 km each way, but even still gas is soon gonna cost me $200/month & public transportation is just not worth it. Too slow and inconvenient. People on a really tight budget must be sh*ting bricks by now, at least the ones who are thinking what will prices be like in a year?

Bib

 

[PG]

Corn alcohol is also known as ethanol. Here in the midwest it is blended into gas at most gas stations, especially in the winter.

Ford, Chevy and Chrysler have vehicles now that can run on a blend of up to 85% ethanol. I have personally seen several Ford FFV Tauruses here in IL.

We can and should use more ethanol for fuel. The downside is that it only has about 60% of the energy as gasoline meaning we would have to burn much more ethanol than gasoline to do the same job. This could increase pollution, but cars pollute much less than ever before and are getting better every year.

We need to lessen our dependency on foreign oil and using ethanol would put our farmers back to work. I don't understand why we here in the US don't pursue this issue more.

PG

 

[Capn]

last I heard the charger was going to have a 5.7l HEMI under the hood, or a 3.5L v6 and something in between there too. I remember the concept model too, but the one coming out isn't going to be too close to it if I'm correct.

 

[BiB]

pg

Well if gas prices get too high it will be pursued

capn

Perhaps it will! All I know is that one place I saw it had concept pictures (before they did the redesign anyway) and some "tanks" of some sort, not just straight up gasoline and it was still going to do 300+ horsepower and had a pretty nice range well into the hundreds of miles.

BiB

 

[denali]

CompuWife ... unable to get to your page. As for paying as much as the Europeans do then your tax on gas will have to go up dramatically. Also people who are currently complaining about gas prices were you also complaining when they droped a few years ago and lots of people in the oil/gas industry lost their jobs I don't think so. If you think the price of gas is to much don't use it. The price of gas along with all other products is a matter of supply and demand.

Aquaman ... Currently it does not matter if OPEC pumps any more oil or not as they are not the bottle neck. Oil tankers, the ships that move the oil, utilization is at 100% of capacity so pumping more oil will not matter because you can not ship anymore. Also your price for gas is about the same as I would pay in Colorado.

For those of you who suggest using ethanol that is not really an alternative. In North America ethanol is produced from corn, to grow the corn requires diesel fuel for the tractors. Also you would have to add in the price of the government subsidies to the corn growers. In the last several years some have tried to lower these subsidies however the main corn producer in the US, ADM, has paid off many politicians to continue the subsidies.

I agree with etech, if you look at the cost of gas when adjusted for inflation I think you will see that it is cheap.

 

[BiB]

I agree with everything you said, because it is all true.

I only worry about high high will gas prices have to go before they are extremely unreasonable? Already some companies are on the brink of bankruptcy because of it. Most people are still driving around as normal. Prices are up but we pay....but how high until we stop? I can tell you that if gas prices doubled today and had no sign of a decrease I'd consider scrapping my car, or buying a geo metro only for weekend use. So where is the line drawn, and how much can we take? Oil is unrenewable. It WILL run out and it WILL get more expensive - how high until it is no longer a feasible energy source?

BiB

 

[desy]

I read an article that said Henry Fords first fuel of choice was ethanol and Designed his first cars to run on it. The oil/gas industry lobbied gov't to make it illegal to do so on the basis that you could create food shortages if all your crop production was being used to make fuel. They bought it, just think how different the world would be if it didn't happen this wasy. . .
I also think the cheap fuel prices have stagnated the auto industry. Just look at the case of outboard motors for boats . The Gov't says they have to meet emmsion standards by 2002 and lo and behold they do 3 yrs ahead of schedual by making them use direct fuel injection and it immediately improved fuel consumption by 35% WOW
Which is why I argue SUV owners should be charged a environment tax unless they have a legitimate buisness purpose for driving such a behemoht and don't get me wrong my last two vehicles have been 4X4 trucks cause I hunt and I would have to pay this tax too. Which they could turn around and give a tax rebate to people who choose to buy vehicles that get at least 35MPg. That way people whop still want SUVs can get them and it would force vehicle manufactures to produce vehicles than can meet min MPG ratings to avoid evironment tax levels.
I phoned in on a talk radio show where the host was bragging about his
SUV and I suggested this and he oh come on we got enough gas no prob and I said for how long 25 yrs 50 yrs 200 yrs face it, it is a limited supply and will eventually run out period we should make efforts to conserve it.

 

[CompuWife]

Well, I must apologize for the brevity of the page...it hasn't allowed me to fully express myself.
I am protesting the amount of taxes that we pay on gas. I did not protest when gas prices were down, although I can't think of the price being below 40 cents per litre since 1990.
Since the price has been on a gradual incline so have the taxes. Gas, it seems is taxed almost as heavily a cigarettes.
Of course when the supply is low, the price will be high. That is to be expected, what is shameful is the amount of taxes we pay on the gas.
etech - I apologize for the lack of research in all aspects, again, I was extremely brief and only whipped up the page in a bit of time.(and yes I know the water run car is only legend)

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Gas here is a whopping $1.75 per gallon.


And, since my truck gets 5~7 mpg and I work about 20 minutes away from home with things to do on the weeknights and college starting here (which is about 30 minutes away) I think I'll start taking the city bus.

 

[rahvin]

Oh please people. Ethanol fuel would easily cost DOUBLE the current price of gasoline and probably a lot more. Oxyginated fuels that are mandated in many of the heavily polluted cities mix in ~10-25% ethanol with gasoline and gas prices go up 20%. Corn is a lot more expensive than oil people.

The only solution to the cost of gas it to either stop driving, buy a really fuel efficient car (myself I bought a mazda protege 4 years ago, I average 35mpg) or call the car manufacturers and tell them you want to buy a fuel cell car. These energy problems are only going to get worse, much much worse. We need fuel cell's and High power fusion (but we need a superconducting super collider before that will ever happen). Oh well, worlds going to hell becuase no one know's how to conserve energy.

 

[DaBoneHead]

first, it ain't the gas I'm gonna miss in 50 years, its the PLASTIC!

That same stuff that we are burning is used to make all kind of platics, what will the future be like without it!?!?! Think about it a minute.

The only "bright" side is that we will have to find alternative solutions. And yes, ethanol will figure in to the equation quite heavily.

A recent article stated that to meet the fuel consumption of the present day united states using other resources, we would need to set aside an area of land the size of Texas to grow crops. It aint all corn either! The germans were distilling potatoes to make a powerful rocket fuel, and some people have made a clean burning fuel using wheat. Guess that makes sense since it a key ingredient in whiskey.

I think we will owe future generations an apology, since we are squandering the greatest resource we have on SUVs and 5-7 mpg trucks, when in the future, they will really have needed it for platics.

Just my .02$ that I felt inclined to share.

 

[desy]

Ethanol is expensive because the infastructure hasn't been built to keep the price low, if it was started in the 20s and pressure was applied to produce more efficient vehicles in the last 80 yrs. . . . It makes for interesting theorizing to what kind of world it would be today. Lets see we could ignore the middle east cause they would have nothing NA or Europe would be interested in. Farmers would be making a decent ROI and may even be the power brokers of the world. There probably would be a lot less polution and on and on.

 

[BiB]

dabonehead is right - our kids will look back and wonder why the hell we thought it necessary to drive the kids to soccer practice in a lincoln navigator. As was mentioned below there _should_ be some sort of a tax or SOMETHING. Its utterly ridiculous.

BiB

 

[rahvin]

<<Ethanol is expensive because the infastructure hasn't been built to keep the price low>>

Don't be an idiot. Ethanol is produced from corn, corn isn't cheap because people eat it. Do you see the corrolation? Production of the ethanol from raw corn is not signifcantly more expensive than refining crude oil. Oil is cheap because they set up a pump and pump it out of the ground, someone has to grow corn. See the difference?

 

[BiB]

Lets keep this going...

 

[desy]

OK
Fuels here with 10% ethanol don't cost anymore than fuels without.
So I'm not too sure where your inflatd prices come from maybe its a regional thing. Fuel does not just come out of the ground and put in your car it is also &quot;refined&quot; and if your don't think it costs a pile to transport it halfway around the world in tankers your the idiot.
Finally corn is not expensive I don't know if you come from an agricultural center or not but suffix it to say there is about 3 cents of wheat in every loaf of bread the rest is markup same goes for any of the grains or oilseeds.
Finally the point I was making if they had gone the way Henry Ford wanted it too years ago it would be cheaper and they would have developed much more fuel efficent technoliges. You sound like a man addicted to cheap energy and whos lack of vision is one of the reasons
we are going to hit $40 oil very soon.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

WHO THE FVCK GIVES A SH!T ABOUT ETHANOL?!

No car on the open, mass market runs on ethanol, so why are we even arguing about it? I'm spending half of my god damn pay check each month on gas. Who cares what costs more...


&quot;Well, be happy that it's not running on ethanol.&quot;
Yeah, that's a great reason to be happy about gas prices...


no way in hell.