Gas prices? Bah! Truck, SUV sales lift automakers..

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BY JAMIE BUTTERS
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER




Americans may be concerned about rising gas prices, but it isn't keeping them from buying full-size pickups and SUVs, according to March vehicle sales announced Thursday.

To try to make sure consumers keep buying, car companies launched new discounts Thursday, led by General Motors Corp.'s "Truckfest" offer of no-interest for 5 years plus $1,000 cash back on most pickups, SUVs and vans.

Sales of luxury vehicles and big trucks led sales gains for most automakers, while car sales dropped off, perhaps reflecting a divide in the economy as higher-income Americans take advantage of sweet deals and working-class consumers wait for more signs that the job market is getting better.

GM and Ford Motor Co. posted better sales this March than they had last year. Sales of DaimlerChrysler AG's three American brands -- Chrysler, Jeep and Dodge -- slipped a little, but remained up for the first three months of the year.

Toyota Motor Corp. and Nissan Motor Co. once again set new monthly sales records.

While record gas prices -- and the prospect of pump prices topping $2 a gallon for much of the summer -- dominate news coverage and watercooler chatter, incomes are also at record highs, said Ford sales analysis manager George Pipas.

"Energy prices represent far less of a household's income today than they did 20 years ago," he said.

Adjusted for 20-some years of inflation, gas prices in the early '80s are the equivalent of $3 a gallon now, Pipas said.

In the recession of the early '80s, when consumers feared that gas prices would never come down, buying patterns shifted from trucks to cars and from big cars to small cars.

That's not happening now. DaimlerChrysler's Dodge brand saw double-digit gains in sales of Ram full-size pickups and Durango full-size SUVs. Sales of Ford's F-Series full-size pickups and Expedition SUV were both up 18 percent. And GM said it is on pace to sell 1 million full-size pickups this year, matching a feat it achieved only in 1978.

So far, consumers don't seem to believe that prices will stay high forever, so they are continuing to buy what they want.

This is a perfectly rational response to what is seen as a temporary price increase, said GM analyst Paul Ballew. A 30-cent-per-gallon increase in gas prices would cost the typical vehicle owner about $200 a year or $4 a week, he said.

Large pickups and SUVs "tend to attract buyers with higher incomes, so" higher gas prices "certainly don't have as much of an impact on their incomes," Ballew said.

And on the off-chance that a 30-cent-per-gallon increase sticks around for five years, GM is offering $1,000 cash -- on top of zero-percent, 5-year loans -- for qualified buyers of most trucks and SUVs.
http://www.freep.com/money/autonews/sales2_20040402.htm
 

Eli

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Heh.

They'll be hurtin' if we see anything like the fuel crisis of the 70s again.
 

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Americans may be concerned about rising gas prices, but it isn't keeping them from buying full-size pickups and SUVs, according to March vehicle sales announced Thursday.

We really NEED these powerful 4WD SUVS....especially for our daily commutes from the suburbs to work, thru the giant sand hills, the wheels hardly able to push the car up the steep dunes ...then crossing the piranha infested goshing amazon river in the dark rainforest...glad to be alive when we finally arrive on the other side !
Man we would be sooooooo screwed without a four wheeler. And i didnt even mention the constant need to move around all these 'sport utilities'.



 

rh71

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Rising fuel prices ? It's only $1.80 in NY and steady. It's not like it's reaching $2.00 like it did a year-to-half year ago.

Look at the people in the UK and what they pay. We need to stop crying about it already. Yeah we're overpaying, but we overpay for bottled water too.
 

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Originally posted by: rh71
Rising fuel prices ? It's only $1.80 in NY and steady. It's not like it's reaching $2.00 like it did a year-to-half year ago.

Look at the people in the UK and what they pay. We need to stop crying about it already. Yeah we're overpaying, but we overpay for bottled water too.
Especially when you consider that bottled water can be more expensive than gasoline. :Q

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So, maybe they should move into different industries...like R&D for alternative energies.
 

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I always though gas prices would have no effect on SUV/truck sales. Its all about have the bigger vehicle than your neighbor. If you lay $50k down on a Suburban or $70k down on a Hummer, whats another $2000 a year in gas?

Oh, lets not forget that when you have a big SUV, you must drive to work alone, then complain about traffic and pollution.
 

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Originally posted by: flexy

Americans may be concerned about rising gas prices, but it isn't keeping them from buying full-size pickups and SUVs, according to March vehicle sales announced Thursday.

We really NEED these powerful 4WD SUVS....especially for our daily commutes from the suburbs to work, thru the giant sand hills, the wheels hardly able to push the car up the steep dunes ...then crossing the piranha infested goshing amazon river in the dark rainforest...glad to be alive when we finally arrive on the other side !
Man we would be sooooooo screwed without a four wheeler. And i didnt even mention the constant need to move around all these 'sport utilities'.

Is this why you bought a large SUV? Or is this SUV-bashing without really knowing why people buy large SUVs?
 

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Originally posted by: AlexWade
I always though gas prices would have no effect on SUV/truck sales. Its all about have the bigger vehicle than your neighbor. If you lay $50k down on a Suburban or $70k down on a Hummer, whats another $2000 a year in gas?

Oh, lets not forget that when you have a big SUV, you must drive to work alone, then complain about traffic and pollution.
I think it surely affects some people. I, for instance, for all my bitching about SUVs would in fact like to have one, but when I combine their high cost, bad driveability, and _terrible gas mileage_, I find myself still not with one. I know it must be a concern for others.

Some people will drive an SUV anyway, even if it means that they have to take their kids out of karate classes or swimming lessons, just to cover gas. Afterall, for them making an impression on a total stranger is more important than improving one's own quality of life, right?

 

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25 mile drive to work and back each day. That's 50 miles a day, lets say you average that on the weekend too.

around 20k miles a year


Car, 25 mpg = 800 gallons = $1440 a year in gas
Suv, 12.5 mpg= 1600 gallons = $2880 a year


Its obvious SUV drivers arent worried about a mere $1400 a year in gas (less if they get better mpg). You raise the price from 1.80 to 2.40, and thats still maybe another 1k in gas.... big deal? When you pay 30-50k for an SUV why would that really matter?


People are definitely being silly when they laugh at SUV owners when gas prices go up. They only suffer twice as much as you, and according to their purchase, they can more than afford to.


 

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Originally posted by: dxkj
25 mile drive to work and back each day. That's 50 miles a day, lets say you average that on the weekend too.

around 20k miles a year


Car, 25 mpg = 800 gallons = $1440 a year in gas
Suv, 12.5 mpg= 1600 gallons = $2880 a year


Its obvious SUV drivers arent worried about a mere $1400 a year in gas (less if they get better mpg). You raise the price from 1.80 to 2.40, and thats still maybe another 1k in gas.... big deal? When you pay 30-50k for an SUV why would that really matter?


People are definitely being silly when they laugh at SUV owners when gas prices go up. They only suffer twice as much as you, and according to their purchase, they can more than afford to.
Most SUVs are closer to 30k than 50k though, and I take issue with the fact that the average SUV owner is significantly more well endowed in the money department than the average sedan owner. I think that in most cases they simply prioritize differently. Look at how many people own a big ole nice suv, but still may have a family income over only $60k or something? With a couple of kids and that SUV $1k lost on gas in a year will definitely be felt.

 

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Originally posted by: flexy

Americans may be concerned about rising gas prices, but it isn't keeping them from buying full-size pickups and SUVs, according to March vehicle sales announced Thursday.

We really NEED these powerful 4WD SUVS....especially for our daily commutes from the suburbs to work, thru the giant sand hills, the wheels hardly able to push the car up the steep dunes ...then crossing the piranha infested goshing amazon river in the dark rainforest...glad to be alive when we finally arrive on the other side !
Man we would be sooooooo screwed without a four wheeler. And i didnt even mention the constant need to move around all these 'sport utilities'.


Hmmm, maybe some of us pull trailers and go offroad with our 4x4 trucks!!

Yeah, I don't think your Honda civic would pull this out to the dunes.......
 

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Originally posted by: faZZter

Hmmm, maybe some of us pull trailers and go offroad with our 4x4 trucks!!

Yeah, I don't think your Honda civic would pull this out to the dunes.......
Yeah, like 6 of you in the country use your SUV for that sort of thing ;)
 

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Originally posted by: SkoorbI think it surely affects some people. I, for instance, for all my bitching about SUVs would in fact like to have one, but when I combine their high cost, bad driveability, and _terrible gas mileage_, I find myself still not with one. I know it must be a concern for others.

i like commuting in the SUV better than my car, other than the gas thing. the fact that i can actually see what is going on ahead of me is so nice. of course, wouldn't have that problem in the car if everyone else wasn't driving trucks, SUVs, minivans, and those poser-SUV station wagons.
 

GTaudiophile

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You should see me weave my Miata through the SUV-packed traffic. I go between and around them...and they can't catch me...and all the while I'm shifting through 5 gears with the top down...with a big-ass smile on my face as I see them Hummers in the rear-view mirror. Not a bad commute, eh?

Oh, and I get like ~30mpg too.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: SkoorbI think it surely affects some people. I, for instance, for all my bitching about SUVs would in fact like to have one, but when I combine their high cost, bad driveability, and _terrible gas mileage_, I find myself still not with one. I know it must be a concern for others.

i like commuting in the SUV better than my car, other than the gas thing. the fact that i can actually see what is going on ahead of me is so nice. of course, wouldn't have that problem in the car if everyone else wasn't driving trucks, SUVs, minivans, and those poser-SUV station wagons.
Yeah that's true. I can't see sh*t when those assholes in their pickups and suvs are, say, taking a left and I'm trying to take a right. I've have to edge into the road or wait for them to move it. I need a periscope.

 

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
You should see me weave my Miata through the SUV-packed traffic. I go between and around them...and they can't catch me...and all the while I'm shifting through 5 gears with the top down...with a big-ass smile on my face as I see them Hummers in the rear-view mirror. Not a bad commute, eh?

Oh, and I get like ~30mpg too.
Plus if you get run over by a hummer the thing will just roll over top of you anyway probably without so much as clipping your head ;)

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb]Yeah that's true. I can't see sh*t when those assholes in their pickups and suvs are, say, taking a left and I'm trying to take a right. I've have to edge into the road or wait for them to move it. I need a periscope.

i just mean the bastard in front of me on the freeway. calling it a freeway is a misnomer though... damn thing is a parking lot :|

i swear that bastard with the lincoln could still drive his car after being rear ended... if you can steer it, clear it! :|
 

rh71

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Originally posted by: flexy

Americans may be concerned about rising gas prices, but it isn't keeping them from buying full-size pickups and SUVs, according to March vehicle sales announced Thursday.

We really NEED these powerful 4WD SUVS....especially for our daily commutes from the suburbs to work, thru the giant sand hills, the wheels hardly able to push the car up the steep dunes ...then crossing the piranha infested goshing amazon river in the dark rainforest...glad to be alive when we finally arrive on the other side !
Man we would be sooooooo screwed without a four wheeler. And i didnt even mention the constant need to move around all these 'sport utilities'.
Hey retard... people buy sports cars because we need the ability to hit 60mph in 3 seconds all the time too... how about those highways with SPEED LIMITS ? RIGHT.
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rh71

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Originally posted by: dxkj
25 mile drive to work and back each day. That's 50 miles a day, lets say you average that on the weekend too.

around 20k miles a year


Car, 25 mpg = 800 gallons = $1440 a year in gas
Suv, 12.5 mpg= 1600 gallons = $2880 a year
Flawed - I don't know any SUVs that get only 12.5mpg highway. It's true for city (mine is), but who drives 50 miles a day in a city ? It's more like 15-18mpg which isn't that far off from some sports cars I know...