Gas Mileage Issues

Xcobra

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Hey guys,

Haven't posted here in a while. So basically, I have been getting relatively bad mileage on my 99 Corolla (I have often used up almost 1/2 quarter tank on a 30-35 mile highway trip) for the past few months. I did a tune up when I bought it about a couple of years ago. I have also recently changed the oxygen sensors. I drive about 5K miles per year so I am confident it does not need another tune up. I do the oil changes at around 3K miles or 5 months given how little I drive it.

Last weekend, I took it to muffler place and basically told me that my bad mileage is due to broken/weak engine mounts (the two bottom ones, front and rear); he told me that basically the jerk from the engine when throttled allows some air to get in between the engine and the exhaust manifold thus using up more gas. In other words, he thinks it's a giant exhaust leak, triggering the O2 sensors to read the mix as lean. He revved it really hard a few times and when he did, there was a distinct noise coming out of the engine. I have also noticed this noise when I step on the gas to go up a hill, for example. It's almost as if you can hear the air leak, I guess? Given how much I have tried to troubleshoot this, this makes sense to me.

Now, I took it to another mechanic, said that the mounts were weak but not broken and quoted me for replacing the mounts at around $364 just for those two. This is getting on the expensive side for me. I can afford it but I am still hesitant. I have also wondered about replacing all of them if I will replace those two, thus probably driving the cost even higher.

Sorry about the long story, but what do you all think? Is it worth getting the mileage issue fixed by spending that much on something else?

Thanks for the help!

Update: I forgot to mention that I am more likely to believe the muffler guy's story because come emissions testing, it barely passes. Then again, I wanted to post here first before spending anything on this.
 
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Meghan54

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Last weekend, I took it to muffler place and basically told me that my bad mileage is due to broken/weak engine mounts (the two bottom ones, front and rear). He told me that basically the jerk from the engine when throttled allows some air to get in between the engine and the exhaust manifold thus using up more gas. Given how much I have tried to troubleshoot this, this makes sense to me.


That make absolutely no sense at all, really. There's always air getting in and around your engine, between the engine and exhaust manifold, etc. Just because your engine mounts are worn/weak would not slam your gas mileage at all. That mechanic is just talking out his ass.
 

BUTCH1

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Possible dirty MAF sensor or dirty air filter, don't see how any exhaust leak would do that plus you would be able to hear it if it were that bad..
 

Doppel

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Regarding that diagnosis either the technician is an idiot or an unbelievably great mechanic. If he was the latter would he be working at a muffler shop?
 

Meghan54

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Regarding that diagnosis either the technician is an idiot or an unbelievably great mechanic. If he was the latter would he be working at a muffler shop?


Most likely the former, although he was probably under pressure to meet his daily "screw the customer for ungodly profit" quota and just made up the BS story told to the OP because he, the mechanic, really had no idea what was wrong but knew he could BS the OP.....as evidenced by the OP's falling for it.

...this makes sense to me.
 

LTC8K6

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1/2 or 1/4 tank in 35 highway miles?

I'm going to have to say, no way.

Either that, or you are making a black smoke screen behind you.

Or, someone is stealing your fuel.
 

DougoMan

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1/2 or 1/4 tank in 35 highway miles?

I'm going to have to say, no way.

Either that, or you are making a black smoke screen behind you.

Or, someone is stealing your fuel.

I think you're right, that would be like 5-7 mpg.
 

NutBucket

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is a 1/2 quarter the same as 1/8?

Anyway, RUN far away from any mechanic the says broken/worn engine mounts are to blame for your problem.

Assuming your gas gauge isn't broken, what is the actual mileage you are getting? Fill up, drive and calculate!
 

mmntech

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1/2 or 1/4 tank in 35 highway miles?

I'm going to have to say, no way.

Either that, or you are making a black smoke screen behind you.

Or, someone is stealing your fuel.

I rented a Rio a couple weeks ago that was chewing through fuel like that. He means 1/8 a tank. Half of a quarter is one eighth.

Haha, mounts equals bad gas millage. You need to take your car to a different mechanic, because your current one thinks you're dumb.

Did you check all the basic stuff? Air filter, oil, spark plugs, bad gas gauge? Eliminate that stuff first, then check sensors and the computer.
 

JCH13

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Could have a fuel injector stuck part-way open.
Could have a fuel system leak.
Could have something plugging your exhaust system.
Could have something plugging your intake system.
Could need a transmission service (unlikely).
 

DivideBYZero

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Run away from this 'mechanic'. An engine mount issue will not manifest itself with lower overall gas mileage.
 

Zap

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My thought is that it may not be a problem at all. If it was 1/8 of a 13.2 gallon tank, if we were to assume that the fuel gauge still has a few gallons in reserve when it hits Empty, let's say 11 gallons between F and E. 1/8 of that would be 1.375 gallons. That would put it at roughly 25.5MPG. Sure, on the low side, but how was it driven?

I've had a rental Kia Rio once and got around 20MPG because it felt so gutless (compared to my Contour SVT at the time) that I kept it floored nearly the whole time I was driving it. :p Also, I'm sure some of you guys have seen the Top Gear segment on the Prius versus BMW M3 in gas mileage, where they concocted a scenario in which the Prius got less gas mileage. Unlikely? Yes. Possible? Yes. I've had a rental Prius with the instant MPG display pegged in the teens. I've also been passed by them on numerous occasions, so I know other people have gotten as bad mileage in their Prius.

My other thought is that some fuel gauges doesn't seem quite linear to me. For instance in my former cars, the Mustang GT seemed to stay in the bottom quarter tank longer than any other quarter, while my Contour SVT seemed to stay in the top quarter tank the longest.
 

hanoverphist

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I think you're right, that would be like 5-7 mpg.

my truck went from 16mpg to 7.5mpg when the downstream o2 sensor burnt out... it was a pita until i got it replaced.

a lady that was going to sell me her 89 integra just told me today that her car has always gotten 15mpg, and i had already looked it up to be rated at 23ish in city. i told her she has some tune issues with it, but she doesnt care. she said its always been like that, no biggie. i didnt buy it, i got a decent 98 civic hb with some body damage that so far is getting a bit over 30mpg mixed.

id say pull and clean your sensors first, see if that changes anything.
 

Eli

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So what did the other mechanic say when you told him you want to replace your engine mounts because you're getting bad mileage? :D

Edit: To actually help..

Low mileage is actually worse for some parts. Don't be so sure that you 'don't need another tuneup'. Also don't assume that you fixed everything during the first tuneup.
 
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Xcobra

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Well i updated the second paragraph to see if it makes sense what I am trying to say. Anyway, I have no idea what else could be causing the issue. Filter is clean, O2 sensors are new.

And to clarify, it uses about 1/2 a QUARTER tank, meaning 1/8 of a tank. It's not bad mileage but still bothers me and would like to see if I can find an issue with it. Currently, I can't find any obvious issues.
 

Meghan54

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Screw it......you believe your idiot of a mechanic, more power to you.

But, exhaust leaks don't allow air to enter the motor, they allow the exhaust that is under pressure to escape early instead of channeling all the way through your exhaust system to the tail pipe. Air certainly doesn't get in between the manifold and block from the atmosphere.

But, you do what you think is correct. Your gas mileage problem, though, is more related to short trips, lack of driving your car much, and carbon buildup on you valves, rings, pistons, etc., and also poor quality O2 sensors, lack of tuneups (plugs are worn more quickly with short distance trips than long trips with highway driving), etc.

What you're experiencing is age of your vehicle combined with poor driving habits, at least poor for longevity of your vehicle and its performance.
 
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Xcobra

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Edit:

Screw it......you believe your idiot of a mechanic, more power to you.

But, exhaust leaks don't allow air to enter the motor, they allow the exhaust that is under pressure to escape early instead of channeling all the way through your exhaust system to the tail pipe. Air certainly doesn't get in between the manifold and block from the atmosphere.

But, you do what you think is correct. Your gas mileage problem, though, is more related to short trips, lack of driving your car much, and carbon buildup on you valves, rings, pistons, etc., and also poor quality O2 sensors, lack of tuneups (plugs are worn more quickly with short distance trips than long trips with highway driving), etc.

What you're experiencing is age of your vehicle combined with poor driving habits, at least poor for longevity of your vehicle and its performance.

Well...I certainly didn't say I believed him. Maybe due to my inexperience with cars, I tend to agree with the logic. As to whether it is correct, I don't know. That's why I'm here, no? Right.

Then please do tell what effect an exhaust leak will have on the car, engine, mileage, etc. The mechanic is saying it has an effect on the emissions, etc. but let's say he is right, there is a big ass leak, then what does this mean?

And in terms of possible issues, maybe except for the carbon build up, everything else checks ok. And maybe you are right, maybe age is catching up to the car. It's why I am hesitant to spend any more money on it but I think it'd be useful for me to at least form an informed opinion even if I decide not to fix the issue.
 

Eli

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If you had a bad exhaust leak, you would know it because your car would be very loud.

His diagnosis doesn't make any sense.

There's no way that your car is on it's last legs. Unless it runs like crap, has no power and smokes like a mosquito fogger, but I'm guessing that's not the case?

You don't have any check engine lights? This may sound silly, but is your check engine light burned out? It happens.