Gardening: Anyone an expert?

FortFunFoSho

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Now I have never had a garden in my life. I was thinking about starting out with some basic stuff..

Basil and rosemary which I can grow in p ots. But what about peppers and tomatoes? What kind of climate do they need? How much sun?

 

Mathlete

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Need a little mor info.

Where do you live? Is your soiol sandy? Do you have a tilled area or are you starting from grass? How much sunlight does the area you want to palnt get?
 

Ryan

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Full sun, as far as climate - as long as it's decently warm you'll be fine (I'd say no lower than 50 degree weather at night, and 60/70's for a minimum optimum growing temp). I grow them every year (tomatoes and peppers) - they're easy to grow. Just keep them well watered and in an area that has good drainage and you'll be fine :)
 

cosine17

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asking an online forum about things that deal with the outdoors?

conflict of interests? yes...
 

FortFunFoSho

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I live in Michigan. Climate is typical midwest during summe: rainy, humid, usually between 60-90.

I do not know anything about the soil yet for i just bought the hosue. Currently I think there are various flowers and shrubs planted there.
 

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Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
I live in Michigan. Climate is typical midwest during summe: rainy, humid, usually between 60-90.

I do not know anything about the soil yet for i just bought the hosue. Currently I think there are various flowers and shrubs planted there.

Then the soil aroudn them shoudl be fine - working a little peat moss and fertilizer into the soil is good. After you've had your last frost and temps start getting up in the 60's/70's, I'd say that's a good time to plant. Buy some tomato stakes or some kind of support system for the tomatoes when you plant them - they will need to grow into them for support. Keep an eye out for bugs and birds, they love them :)
 

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Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
Great. What about bell peppers, habanero, jalapeno, etc... ????

Pick a variety you like - they all require about the same care - plenty of sun too. A bamboo stake to support the main stem is a good idea if the variety you pick has large peppers.
 

Jpark

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
Great. What about bell peppers, habanero, jalapeno, etc... ????

Pick a variety you like - they all require about the same care - plenty of sun too. A bamboo stake to support the main stem is a good idea if the variety you pick has large peppers.


the tomatoes will require a stake as well. my grandparents have tomato plants that grow as high as 7ft:Q
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
Well i was thinking maybe do a couple. Maybe a red pepper plant and then a couple hotter peppers.

Visit your local nursery when they open and see what they offer. If you feel comfortable enough growing from seeds, you'll have endless varieties.
 

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Originally posted by: jpark932
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
Great. What about bell peppers, habanero, jalapeno, etc... ????

Pick a variety you like - they all require about the same care - plenty of sun too. A bamboo stake to support the main stem is a good idea if the variety you pick has large peppers.


the tomatoes will require a stake as well. my grandparents have tomato plants that grow as high as 7ft:Q

See above :pMine usually get aroudn 5-6ft, but I encourage more outward growth - they look like bushes when the season is over :p
 

Jpark

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: jpark932
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
Great. What about bell peppers, habanero, jalapeno, etc... ????

Pick a variety you like - they all require about the same care - plenty of sun too. A bamboo stake to support the main stem is a good idea if the variety you pick has large peppers.


the tomatoes will require a stake as well. my grandparents have tomato plants that grow as high as 7ft:Q

See above :pMine usually get aroudn 5-6ft, but I encourage more outward growth - they look like bushes when the season is over :p


i'm too lazy to read sometimes:D

i'm glad to see that some atot'ers actually get outside and do something productive.
 

FortFunFoSho

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Hmm. I am sure my local nursery can tell me how to separate the seeds (distance between plants) and everythign else I need to know about maintenance...
 

Eli

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I wouldn't just plant a garden in the soil unless you're willing to spend some time with it, ie: test it for both nutrient content and pH, and add/adjust as necessary.

Depending on how big you're talking here(I recommend starting small... you sound like, well.. a n00b.. :p)

It would probably be much easier to grow in pots. Either that or raised beds...

Anyway.. Tomatos.. Since you're in Michigan, get early fruiting varieties.

It's kinda a no-brainer, at least to me, for some reason. First, get some general gardening books. Your library should be packed full of them. They will help a lot with some of the basic concepts.

Plant the plants and watch them grow. Fertilizers definately help, but it is an area where MANY people quite frankly fsck everything up. Fertilizers can drastically change the pH of the soil. The trend is almost always down. If you're going to use fertilizers, invest in a bag of dolomite lime. It's cheap; about 4$ for 50lbs, and it is well worth it.

Mix it into your soil at the recommended rate. Add a little more if the potting soil you're using is peat-based.

Use any fertilizer you want, but only use 1/4 to 1/8 of the recommended dosage, every time, every other time... whatever... that you water. The schedule is really up to you. Use closer to 1/8 for (2x-2x-2x fertilizers and 1/4 for 1x-1x-1x(or less) fertilizers). Whatever you decide to do, stick with it. If you water for a week with fertilizer, and the soil's pH goes from 6.5 to 5.5, your plants will be unhappy. Not necessarily because of the pH change(proper pH depends on the plant being grown), but because of the rapid pH change. That's why it's better to do it gradually, ie: plain water, fertilizer water, plain, fert, etc).

The idea is to get the plants growing really well. You need to pay very close attention to them. They will tell you what they need and what is wrong, but you have to know what to look for. Most of this kind of information will be available in books and online.

If you come to a point where you notice fast, vigorous growth.. stop there. It's so easy to overdo it, it just isn't worth it. Resist the temptation to "add a little more", because "it's making them grow", right? Right and wrong.. lol.

It doesen't hurt to flush the plants well(double the container volume) with plain water once every few weeks to remove any excess salt buildup.

Organic fertilizers are excellent. You generally can't do wrong with them, although I still recommend reduced strength applications.

Or you can go organic and make your own worm casting tea fertilizer....

it's all pretty fun stuff. good luck.. lol
 

Bryophyte

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One thing you might need to know..."full sun" means six hours of direct sunlight (or more) per day. Doesn't mean "no shade during the day whatsoever".
 

Rumpltzer

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I grew chili and jalapeno peppers in small (two gallon) pots on my patio afew summers ago. One plant each. I also had one tomato plant in a much larger (twenty gallon?) pot with a cage. Full sun and lots of water, and I had so many friggen' peppers and tomoatoes that I got sick of them. I encouraged my neighbors to take whatever they wanted.

The following summer, I put cherry tomoto plants into the smaller pots and those grew like weeds too.


Sun and water. It didn't seem too difficult.


BTW - Gardening is for girls. Men are farmers!
 

FortFunFoSho

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Originally posted by: Rumpltzer
I grew chili and jalapeno peppers in small (two gallon) pots on my patio afew summers ago. One plant each. I also had one tomato plant in a much larger (twenty gallon?) pot with a cage. Full sun and lots of water, and I had so many friggen' peppers and tomoatoes that I got sick of them. I encouraged my neighbors to take whatever they wanted.

The following summer, I put cherry tomoto plants into the smaller pots and those grew like weeds too.


Sun and water. It didn't seem too difficult.


BTW - Gardening is for girls. Men are farmers!

This is the kind of motivation I need.

And I do not have a farm and buying red peppers is like a dollar a pop so it is too much!
 

Rumpltzer

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Originally posted by: FortFunFoSho
Originally posted by: Rumpltzer
BTW - Gardening is for girls. Men are farmers!

This is the kind of motivation I need.

And I do not have a farm and buying red peppers is like a dollar a pop so it is too much!
I had three pots on my concrete patio at my university apartment... I was farming!. Have it any way you'd like it, though.

If you're talking about bell peppers, I think I'd go with a pretty big pot (20 gallons).

I bought a cheap bag of gardening soil (something like $6 for 50lbs) at Home Depot, and I didn't worry much more about the dirt. I did buy a box of Miracle Grow and followed the instructions on the box... I'm not sure if it did anything, but it didn't cost much either.

Pot + Dirt + Sun + Water + Concrete patio = FARM
 

zugzoog

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Tips for growing Basil from farmer Zugzoog.

Most important. Basil is a tropical plant and so loves lots of sun, lots of water and cannot tolerate cold.

I am growing some now and have them on the North wall to get as much sun as possible (Southern Hemispere). I also have them in the "self-watering" style of pots so that the plants have a good reservoir of water to draw upon.

The next important thing is that snails/slugs are your greatest enemy! I grow them in pots that have a lip around the edge and this seems to stop most of the little blighters. But you will have to use a small amount of Snail killer.

Do not let the Basil go to seed! Once Basil goes to seed it becomes bitter and not very nice to eat. The easiest way to do this is when you are collecting the leaves don't just pick the leaves off, but cut off the stem just above where a couple of young leaves are growing. The advantage is twofold, you now have two stems growing and the plant leaves remain "young" and tasty.

Don't let what I have written put you off. Once you get the hang of what I am saying, then it will become second nature.

There is nothing like when you are cooking and you dash out to the garden, grab some fresh Basil and lifts your meal to yummy status. Or like yesterday, not sure what to have for lunch, so went out to the garden, grabbed some cherry tomatoes, basil leaves and made some very yummy cheese and tomatoe toasties.

I also make my own Pesto. So much better than bought stuff.