GAMMING ON 23"-24" WIDESCREEN LCD MONITORS

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GearCat

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Can I get a 23" to 24" widescreen LCD (1920x1200) that's fast enough for games, has good color and contrast, and is under $1000?

I still see all these arguaments that the Samsung 244T and other larger widescreens (Dell primarily) do and don't have problems with lag in response time or ghoasting. So what is the truth? I hope it's just differences in different user's perceptions based on their eyes, the games they play, and/or their particular hardware.

I hope there is not a large variance in the performance of the monitor based on production runs of the panels. So what's the deal guys???

Maybe the ViewSonic VP2330wb is a better alternative to the Samsung 244T, albeit for another $200 putting it right at $1000. I'm not yet clear about the panle used in the VP2330wb and need to find reviews.

On the Samsung 244T (and the Dell), check out:
http://www.behardware.com/articles/629-...-dell-2407wfp-vs-the-samsung-244t.html

Maybe patience is best with the advent of the MPA and BFI technologies respectively released by Samsung and BenQ. Check it out: http://www.behardware.com/html/news/cat22/page1.html



 
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TheoPetro

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i got a 2405 a while ago and i love the thing. dealing with Dell is another issue tho. this is actually the 3rd monitor they have sent me. the first one made a loud screeching noise when turned on. so i sent it back and they sent me a new one. same thing. this was the thrid one and took ~2 months to get it (going through neumorous hassles w/ dell) and its a refurb too :( i sure do hate dell now.

Edit: sorry to answer your question I game a decent amount and have NEVER noticed any type of ghosting what so ever.
 
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Does anyone use the Samsung 24" or ViewSonic 23" widescreens mentioned above? Haven't seen a review of the ViewSonic, but the lab reviews (link above) of the Samsung and the Dell 2407 conclude that these monitors need better and more accurate color quality (closer to reality out of the box), zero dead pixel warranty, and less twinkling in video sequences. While there is color improvement after calibration, these monitors still need to be improved. While there are less ghosting problems, they are still there. But the very strong and bothersome afterglow from 16ms panels has been considerably diminished to a much more reasonable level for these 6ms panels, comparable to TN and MVA 8 ms panels. That may be as good as it will get with these panel technologies (note reason below taken from reviews noted in my initial post).

I'm beginning to believe to get a large screen, if you can wait for larger widescreens to mature, do so (note reason below taken from reviews noted in my initial post), and go with a regular 4:3 large screen like the ViewSonic VP2030b or VP2130b (I need to see reviews on these first). Otherwise, buy a cheaper and faster 19" like the BenQ FP93GX, Samsung 940BF, or Viewsonic VX922. If you gotta have widescreen and can live with some ghosting (assuming you perceive it), then stay cheap with ViewSonic VX2025WM (better for gaming, but not very ergonomically adjustable) or Samsung 215TW (a bit larger and better color, and more ergonomically adjustable).

From BeHardware.com reviews:
Screen shots represent precisely what the monitor is capable of, but that isn´t what our eyes exactly see. Our sight is subject to a phenomenon of visual latency. Nowadays, the largest part of afterglow perceived on monitors no longer comes from monitors but from our eyes. This is the reason why the BFI and MPA technologies unveiled by BenQ and Samsung at CeBIT this year are so promising. They both introduced a visual screening, a black or grey area in motion that will "clean" our eyes from previous images. This principle directly comes from CRTs.
 
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morkus64

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I'm on a 2407 and LOVE it (or did when i had a decent video card). You'll need to pony up some dough if you want decent FPS (or even playable FPS) at 1920x1200
 
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GearCat:

Before I plunged into the depths of the LCD world, I too was overtly concerned with "lab" details, as you were, esp. concerning response time, color accuracy, etc. Two years ago, I bought a Samsung 910T. 25ms for gaming. "It should ghost like hell!" But it didn't; I didn't notice a thing. The CRT to LCD transition was seemless. Then again, I'm not enough of an AV person to be that much concerned with accurate color representation; I used the colortuner provided by the manufacturer, and I have been happy since.

The bigger the screen, the higher the native resolution, which means in order to run your games at your regular old "High" or higher detail settings, you need greater graphical processing power than you would on a CRT where you can just turn down the resolution (and vice versa, you can't increase quality by just bumping up resolution). As for ghosting, it's all personal; I have a 25ms panel, I don't notice ghosting 90% of the time. You should fare much better with sub-10ms panels.

Dead pixels are a fact of life. I luckily didn't get one with my panel (but I did with my laptop, just 1). If you can't rub them away, just hope your retailor will replace for 1 or 2 dead pixels. Have something like 5 or more, then most likely places will replace it.

Don't know. Good Luck.
 
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GearCat

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Originally posted by: morkus64
I'm on a 2407 and LOVE it (or did when i had a decent video card). You'll need to pony up some dough if you want decent FPS (or even playable FPS) at 1920x1200
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Both morkus64 and Farmer talk about higher end video cards to drive these bigger panels, which I've heard before. What are you guys using and/or what have you heard is good, or good enough. I have a XFX GeForce 7900 GT Extreme 256MB card for this new system centered around either the AMD 64 X2 +4400, +4600, or +4800.
 
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GearCat:

That is more than enough to play at 1280x1024 (4:3), found on most 19" monitors, and 16:9 on widescreen 20"ers at good-looking levels of detail at respectable speed (I am running at 1280x1024 constantly on a 6800U). I wouldn't know about 24"er 16:9 or bigger, since I've never owned or used one myself.
 
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morkus64

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Originally posted by: GearCat
Originally posted by: morkus64
I'm on a 2407 and LOVE it (or did when i had a decent video card). You'll need to pony up some dough if you want decent FPS (or even playable FPS) at 1920x1200
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Both morkus64 and Farmer talk about higher end video cards to drive these bigger panels, which I've heard before. What are you guys using and/or what have you heard is good, or good enough. I have a XFX GeForce 7900 GT Extreme 256MB card for this new system centered around either the AMD 64 X2 +4400, +4600, or +4800.
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a 7900GT will be enough. You still won't be able to play oblivion all maxed out (but who can?), but that will tide you over with most games.
 
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iamaelephant

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I'll be ordering my 2407FPW in about an hour. I'll let you guys know how it is when it arrives in a few days. I certainly won't be able to play newest games without scaling on my system so hopefully the screen scales well :)

Ugh, useless Dell. When ordering on their New Zealand website it only lists the three major cities in the country to ship to rather than letting me type my own city into the box. I have just put my city into the suburb box and selected the closest major city to mine in their drop-down box with my correct postal code. Hopefully they don't ship the damn thing to Auckland. Typical bloody foreign companies, as if there are only 3 cities in the country.
 
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GearCat

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
I'll be ordering my 2407FPW in about an hour. I'll let you guys know how it is when it arrives in a few days. I certainly won't be able to play newest games without scaling on my system so hopefully the screen scales well :)

Ugh, useless Dell. When ordering on their New Zealand website it only lists the three major cities in the country to ship to rather than letting me type my own city into the box. I have just put my city into the suburb box and selected the closest major city to mine in their drop-down box with my correct postal code. Hopefully they don't ship the damn thing to Auckland. Typical bloody foreign companies, as if there are only 3 cities in the country.
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Well, assuming you get the damn thing, I sure hope you don't have the problems mention by TheoPetro in the second post on this thread. That's what worries me the most!

What really amazes me is that Dell is using the PVA panel, which I understood to be a technology developed and manufactured by Samsung, so why can't SamSung do as well or better than Dell with their 244T, and at a lower, not higher price.

BTW, I live in the US and my sister lives in Australia and we've had several problems shipping stuff back and forth or ordering stuff for shipment to Sydney. So I can understand your frustration. I would think Dell ships this to you from somewhere in the South Pacific region or maybe directly from China.
 
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GearCat

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
I'll be ordering my 2407FPW in about an hour. I'll let you guys know how it is when it arrives in a few days. I certainly won't be able to play newest games without scaling on my system so hopefully the screen scales well :)

Ugh, useless Dell. When ordering on their New Zealand website it only lists the three major cities in the country to ship to rather than letting me type my own city into the box. I have just put my city into the suburb box and selected the closest major city to mine in their drop-down box with my correct postal code. Hopefully they don't ship the damn thing to Auckland. Typical bloody foreign companies, as if there are only 3 cities in the country.
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Hey. Did you add the 4 or 5 year limited warranty from Dell? Did anyone? Is it worth it? (US $29-$49)?

I went ahead and ordered from a reputable dealer rather than directly from Dell to save US $100 off what Dell was charging with tax and a ridiculous shipping charge, so extending the warranty became a moot point. The 2407WFP I ordered is a firmware revision A02, so I should be good to go. Well, let's see how it goes!
 
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iamaelephant

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I didn't bother with the extended warranty. I phoned Dell this afternoon and made sure it will ship to the correct location. I have to say that even if this is the best monitor I have ever used, I will never order from Dell again. I much prefer to use local vendors. Hopefully it doesn't take weeks to arrive, as everyone I have been able to speak to from Dell is clearly not from this country (huge amount of lag during phone calls is a dead giveaway). At least when I order stuff from Amazon in the states they are easy to deal with. Dell is just a pain.

Fingers crossed for a good monitor, I'll of course let you know if I have any problems with it. BTW, Dell assured me that I will receive an AO2 model.
 
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igowerf

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GearCat, to answer your question about the hardware required, my x2 4200+ and eVGA 7900GT OC was able to run Oblivion smoothly at 1920x1080 at medium to high settings on my 40" Samsung TV. Normally, I run it at 1280x1024 with the same settings and it didn't seem to have much of a performance hit going up to 1920x1080.
 
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morkus64

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
I'll be ordering my 2407FPW in about an hour. I'll let you guys know how it is when it arrives in a few days. I certainly won't be able to play newest games without scaling on my system so hopefully the screen scales well :)

Ugh, useless Dell. When ordering on their New Zealand website it only lists the three major cities in the country to ship to rather than letting me type my own city into the box. I have just put my city into the suburb box and selected the closest major city to mine in their drop-down box with my correct postal code. Hopefully they don't ship the damn thing to Auckland. Typical bloody foreign companies, as if there are only 3 cities in the country.
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It's possible that all international mail between the US and Australia comes to one of those three cities first, and is then transported within the country.
 
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frankly I'd be more worried about the video card I'd have to buy to support decent gaming at those resolutions

/cry


edit: i see above there is some discussion about that.
 
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GearCat

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Originally posted by: igowerf
GearCat, to answer your question about the hardware required, my x2 4200+ and eVGA 7900GT OC was able to run Oblivion smoothly at 1920x1080 at medium to high settings on my 40" Samsung TV. Normally, I run it at 1280x1024 with the same settings and it didn't seem to have much of a performance hit going up to 1920x1080.
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igowerf,

I have system outlined below (using GeForce 6800, no OC) connected to a Panasonic PT-AE700U via VGA cable and resolution set to 1280x720 (native resolution). I've done limited gaming (flight sim), but it's cool to project onto a 106" 16:9 widescreen. Not as high contrast and rich in color as on a CRT or LCD monitor, but fun to do. It will be interesting to see how the XBOX 360 compares on this projector. Hope to upgrade to 1080P projector when prices come down from the stratosphere and try with newer system runnig Windows Vista and using HDMI cable.
 
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