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Gaming upgrade for BF3/4

GullyFoyle

Diamond Member
Posting this for a friend.

PLEASE when you POST threads asking for input on system builds tell us...

1. What YOUR PC will be used for. That means what types of tasks you'll be performing.
Gaming, specifically playing Battlefield 3, and the upcoming Battlefield 4.

2. What YOUR budget is. A price range is acceptable as long as it's not more than a 20% spread
$300-$350 budget for an upgrade

3. What country YOU will be buying YOUR parts from.
USA

4. IF you're buying parts OUTSIDE the US, please post a link to the vendor you'll be buying from.
We can't be expected to scour the internet on your behalf, chasing down deals in your specific country... Again, help us, help YOU.

5. IF YOU have a brand preference. That means, are you an Intel-Fanboy, AMD-Fanboy, ATI-Fanboy, nVidia-Fanboy, Seagate-Fanboy, WD-Fanboy, etc.
Intel for CPU, no preference for GPU.

6. If YOU intend on using any of YOUR current parts, and if so, what those parts are.

Will re-use whatever is not upgraded from current PC:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775.
Video: HD5770 CuCore video card from ASUS.
Undisclosed high-end 775 Motherboard
4 GB DDR2 Ram
Case, PS, drives, OS, etc.


7. IF YOU plan on overclocking or run the system at default speeds.
Open to light overclocking

8. What resolution, not monitor size, will you be using?
1680x1050 22" monitor

9. WHEN do you plan to build it?
Note that it is usually not cost or time effective to choose your build more than a month before you actually plan to be using it.
Next week or 2?

X. Do you need to purchase any software to go with the system, such as Windows or Blu Ray playback software?
Nope.

At the end of the day it's your money. There's only so much we can do.

My friend is asking me: Should I update the CPU/MB/Ram, or GPU?
Both areas seem weak, and will leave a bottleneck one way or the other.

Doesn't seem to be enough budget to upgrade it all, but maybe I am missing a possible option.

Please prescribe the best bang for the buck upgrade. TIA for your ideas!
 
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Is there any chance of saving up more money in a reasonably short amount of time?

With that budget on a platform that old he's not going to get the most out of his money trying to upgrade.
 
The "keep old stuff" option (most GPU power):
If you've got room on the mobo, add some RAM to get to 8GB total (a 2x2GB set is $50 right now on Newegg at least). Sell that old graphics card; you can get $60-70 for it at least.

If that motherboard can overclock, DO SO. It will add life to that old sucker. Follow this guide. Basically, kick the FSB to whatever your RAM is rated for divided by four.

If all has gone well, you'll have a substantially higher clocked CPU and spent little money out of pocket. Get a 7950 ($300) with the remaining money.

Alternatively (the no overclock now/least GPU power option):
Sell the old stuff on the FS/FT forum. If the motherboard is sufficiently good, you can get $200 or more out of the deal (we are talking about old tech; a E6600 sells for $90 or so). Your budget is now effective $550.

Buy an Asus P8Z77V-LK and i5-3570K (this will overclock if you want it in the future, so long as you get a $30 or so cooler) for $300 as a combo. Get a 2GB version of the 7850 for $180 ($170 AR). Get 2x4GB of DDR3 RAM for about $50 (with the code provided on the page).

Another alternative (absolutely no overclocking ever! Plus, nearly as much GPU power as the first option!):
Sell the old stuff, as before, and hopefully get $200 or so. Get an i5-3350P for $180 and a Biostar B75MU3+ for $70. Then get a 7870XT ($250) and 2x4GB of DDR3 RAM ($50).

Some notes about each option:
On the CPU side: The E6600 at stock will cut your framerate by a third or so in modern games, especially at a lower resolution (like 1650x1050). Overclocking it will allow you to reduce that penalty to about 15-25%, depending on the game. Whatever modern option you get will work well, but the 3570K will have a bit more long term power because it can easily overclock about 25%.

On the GPU side: The 7850 can easily handle modern 1080p games at high, so it should handle games within the next year equally well at 1650x1050. The 7870XT and 7950 will be good for extra eye candy, and they'll have more longevity.
 
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Thanks for the suggestions so far. I'll see what my friends feelings are related to selling used hardware.

What do you think about this option?

Buy a used Q9550 for $125. Overclock it to 3.4 Ghz by upping the FSB from 333 to 400.

Buy a Geforce 650 Ti Boost 2GB for around $175 shipped. Seems a bit faster than 7850 in Battlefield 3, for less $.

Would going from 4 to 8 GB really make much difference? Is there an article showing this somewhere?

Thanks!
 
Usage shows that most games will take 4GB. Therefore, if you have anything, anything at all running in the background, it'll be hitting the swap file and slow your computer to a crawl. It is necessary to get 8GB if you plan on having so much as a chat client in the backgound.

The Q9950 is still pretty old. I hesitate to advise trying to extend the longevity of a 7 year old platform. You'll definitely want more power than a 650ti Boost or 7850 if you can get it--Battlefield 4 is going to be much more stressful. Try to at least sell the old GPU to get a 7950 or 7870XT if you can.
 
Gully - I think upgrading this system using old parts for BF3, let alone BF4, is a costly mistake. Even a Q9550 at 3.4 is going to run a lot slower than Intel's cheaper i3-3220, and buying more DDR2 memory now just doesn't make much sense (and yes, 8GB of RAM makes a big difference in smoothness, based on user input in various threads here).

Here's what I'd suggest:
(1) i3-3220 for $120
(2) B75 board for $70
(3) 8GB of RAM for $60
(4) 650Ti Boost 2GB for $170.

At $420, that's a bit over his budget, but honestly, his CPU is 7 years old. Time to move on.

If he's open to AMD processors, the FX6300 and a 970 motherboard may be a better long-term investment for about the same price as the 3220/B75 combo.

By the way, all of this assumes he has at least Windows Vista and that he's using SATA hard drives. If not, it's time for a whole new system from scratch...budget about $750 for that.
 
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Gully - I think upgrading this system using old parts for BF3, let alone BF4, is a costly mistake. Even a Q9550 at 3.4 is going to run a lot slower than Intel's cheaper i3-3220, and buying more DDR2 memory now just doesn't make much sense (and yes, 8GB of RAM makes a big difference in smoothness, based on user input in various threads here).

Here's what I'd suggest:
(1) i3-3220 for $120
(2) B75 board for $70
(3) 8GB of RAM for $60
(4) 650Ti Boost 2GB for $170.

At $420, that's a bit over his budget, but honestly, his CPU is 7 years old. Time to move on.

If he's open to AMD processors, the FX6300 and a 970 motherboard may be a better long-term investment for about the same price as the 3220/B75 combo.

By the way, all of this assumes he has at least Windows Vista and that he's using SATA hard drives. If not, it's time for a whole new system from scratch...budget about $750 for that.

:thumbsup: Agree. Don't do anything right now until you can save up another $100 or so.
 
I have to agree with both Mfenn and Termie. BF4 isn't supposed to be released until sometime in Fall 2013, so at least 4-5 months from now, there is no reason to rush an upgrade for it. Your friend should wait and continue to save up before considering an upgrade. With both Haswell and the GTX700 series getting ready to drop come June if your friend waits and saves up some more he/she could skip the upgrade and build a brand new system that will be better bang-for-the-buck without the worry of bottle-necking.
 
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