Gaming on a current model IPS 27" LCD?

[Fastx]

If you have a current model 27" IPS monitor how is it for gaming vs. a TN in your opinion? I thinking of picking up another 27"- 5ms monitor, but a IPS this time.

Could you also list your model, resolution and response time ms.

TIA

 

[Black Octagon]

To answer your question: I have an Overlord Tempest X270OC at 120Hz. The manufacturer's declared response time is "less than or equal to 6ms." I cannot tell you the real pixel response time or total lag because PRAD.de has not tested these screens.

Now, to give you some more, better information: There is a stereotype about IPS monitors which says that they suffer from overall greater latency than their TN counterparts. This stereotype is probably correct overall. BUT, it is not always the case that a TN will be more responsive than an IPS screen. Total latency is a combination of a few things, the terminology of which is, unfortunately, not very well harmonised. AT currently likes to talk of input lag, pixel response and processing lag (and not, IMHO, in ways that are totally consistent with how AT authors have used the terms in the past. But I digress...). Example charts on this page.

Nonetheless, the most gamer-oriented TNs out there (especially the more expensive 120Hz screens from ASUS and BenQ) are indeed renowned for being very snappy indeed. I don't believe any IPS screen currently on the market could compare to them, although it's worth pointing out that this "snappiness" comes at a price. I.e., these TNs have particularly unimpressive colour reproduction, even for TNs.

Finally, just in case you already knew all the above: You have asked specifically about (pixel) response time. You should be aware that the response times as declared by manufacturers in tech specs are not to be trusted. They're almost always exaggerations if not flights of fancy. At a minimum, expect them to only refer to grey-to-grey (GTG) instead of true black-to-black (BTB) response time, when the latter is the figure you truly want. In these things, trust professional review sites like PRAD.de and ignore the manufacturers' specifications

 

[Unoid]

60hz 1440P IPS's are nice. I'd recommend them over any TN for gaming unless you play a lot of FPS and can push 100+fps.

I have an overcocking PCB in my Overlord 1440P, I run at 110hz and there ARE some panels that start showing horizontal blur lines. Your Luck may vary.

 

[guskline]

I have an Achieva Shimian Lite 2560 x 1440 monitor. From what I've read, the response time is above 6 ms but I play Metro Last Light, Crysis 3, BioShock Infinite, COD BO II and BF3 without any problems. Helps that I have a 3770k with 2 670s in SLI. I really like the monitor. Play all my games at native resolution.

 

[blackened23]

Modern WQHD panels are all great for gaming - granted, some people prefer 120hz yet you have to relegate yourself to low resolution and all of the caveats of TN panels. I'd personally never consider a TN panel, ever, so IPS has been great for me. Like gusklike I play tons of FPS games with no issues - you can also opt for one of the overlord 120hz models, as well.

Currently I mostly game on the u3014 2560x1600 panel, although I do dabble with multi monitor (not surround) and have used various other WQHD displays which were equally as good.

 

[Fastx]

Thanks guys for the monitors and info. I will be researching both of these monitors. I did do a little quick research on the OLT X27 Grade A and has me interested in it BUT need to do more research on this monitor per below per concerns. I only had time today to do a quick little research and skim though the info. Later tonight I will research these both more in depth. I never even knew of these two brands of monitors. 🙂 Concerns on the OLT are warranty, D/S/P and able to run up to around 120hz per driver tweak but don't know if this was old info I read/skim though. I did read most hit 96mhz and won't see a much of difference from 120mhz? Btw I am pretty sure I am going to CF my 7950 but just waiting to see the GTX 780 performance and pricing first.

Btw here is review from 3 months ago on the OLT 27"I also just skim though today due to not having a lot of time from 2-13 in case if you haven't seen it. I didn't see any major review site review this monitor but understand this is a relativity a new company and monitor?


http://www.fluidicice.com/1/post/2013/01/my-overlord-tempest-1440p-120hz-monitor-arrived.html

http://www.fluidicice.com/1/post/2013/02/overlord-tempest-monitor-complete-review.html.

 

[Unoid]

Thanks guys for the monitors and info. I will be researching both of these monitors. I did do a little quick research on the OLT X27 Grade A and has me interested in it BUT need to do more research on this monitor per below per concerns. I only had time today to do a quick little research and skim though the info. Later tonight I will research these both more in depth. I never even knew of these two brands of monitors. 🙂 Concerns on the OLT are warranty, D/S/P and able to run up to around 120hz per driver tweak but don't know if this was old info I read/skim though. I did read most hit 96mhz and won't see a much of difference from 120mhz? Btw I am pretty sure I am going to CF my 7950 but just waiting to see the GTX 780 performance and pricing first.

Btw here is review from 3 months ago on the OLT 27"I also just skim though today due to not having a lot of time from 2-13 in case if you haven't seen it. I didn't see any major review site review this monitor but understand this is a relativity a new company and monitor?


http://www.fluidicice.com/1/post/2013/01/my-overlord-tempest-1440p-120hz-monitor-arrived.html

http://www.fluidicice.com/1/post/2013/02/overlord-tempest-monitor-complete-review.html.

Just know the overclockable IPS's has a large tradeoff. Requires custom drivers and settings, Possible blurred lines across the screen, I've had problems in linux also.

 

[Fastx]

Just know the overclockable IPS's has a large tradeoff. Requires custom drivers and settings, Possible blurred lines across the screen, I've had problems in linux also.

Yes that is my concerns and need to research this more I am clueless to these newer monitors (120mhz) at this point I am not up to date on them but I'm in the process of getting up to date. I did have have a 23" NEC IPS for a short period (28 days) of time like 4-5 years ago but returned it and went back to a TN for gaming.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I have a Yamakasi Q270(2560x1440). Got a good one with only one stuck pixel but it's very hard to see unless you do a solid red or green background. Dark colors tend to hide it and on white you can't pick it out cause it looks sorta grey.

Anyway, I have no issues for any gaming. I don't use vsync so 60hz isn't an issue anyhow. The single input models tend to have slightly reduced input lag. As for response time I don't know the actual measured value but it's 6ms on all the general specs.

All that said, $360 shipped for a 27" 2560x1440 LED IPS monitor was a great deal.

 

[moonbogg]

An IPS would be nice for the image quality, but i'm using a 27" asus 120hz now and I'm afraid i'd be less than thrilled moving to anything slower. The speed of this monitor spoiled me i'm certain, but then again, others are spoiled by the image quality of a good IPS.

 

[Black Octagon]

Just know the overclockable IPS's has a large tradeoff. Requires custom drivers and settings, Possible blurred lines across the screen, I've had problems in linux also.

It's overclocking, which means that YMMV and there is always a small risk of things going awry. I would not, however, call this a "large trade-off" as a great many of us are fully satisfied with the outcome

 

[hawtdawg]

I have one of the new monoprice 27 inch IPS screens, upgraded from a 2ms Samsung TN display. I honestly can't really tell the difference.

 

[Fx1]

I recently read a review that said total response of an IPS monitor is 55-65ms!!!!!

Personally im afraid to move from my old TN cheapo monitor at 1900x1200

 

[Unoid]

It's overclocking, which means that YMMV and there is always a small risk of things going awry. I would not, however, call this a "large trade-off" as a great many of us are fully satisfied with the outcome

ok it's not that large" but some people aren't too happy about patching drivers, possible problems with other OSs etc.

Do you get any lines bluring? I use toasty's de-liner and still have some at 110hz

 

[cmdrdredd]

I recently read a review that said total response of an IPS monitor is 55-65ms!!!!!

Personally im afraid to move from my old TN cheapo monitor at 1900x1200

Each panel is different so it would help to tell us what model that was.

 

[Fastx]

Guys so after doing some research on the 120hz (IPS 27) sounds nice of course but I don't want to mess with oc'ing, drivers, tweaking etc. But for those of you who do with no problems sounds like an awesome way to go imo.

So I take it there are no stock 120hz IPS 27" panels on the market right now other than the Catleap Q270 & the OLT X270oc which you have to oc?

If the above is correct do you guys know if any stock 120hz IPS 27" monitors coming out in the near future?

I haven't seen any on my research but don't know if there is for sure or not. 🙂

Just for the record I not interested in a PLS.

 

[blackened23]

Just for the record I not interested in a PLS.

Well you should be IMO since it's the exact same thing but with slightly better colors (I've used many PLS and IPS)

In fact, the best WQHD monitor on the market right now, if you don't mind glossy is *BY FAR* the S27B970D by Samsung. IMHO. Costs a pretty penny though, while other PLS monitors are cheaper.

 

[Fastx]

Well you should be IMO since it's the exact same thing but with slightly better colors (I've used many PLS and IPS)

In fact, the best WQHD monitor on the market right now, if you don't mind glossy is *BY FAR* the S27B970D by Samsung. IMHO. Costs a pretty penny though, while other PLS monitors are cheaper.

I read these were still not as good as a good IPS, I will research this again then and no glossy is fine with me I prefer glossy imo.🙂

 

[blackened23]

I read these were still not as good as a good IPS, I will research this again then and no glossy is fine with me I prefer glossy imo.🙂

Definitely not true regarding "not as good" 🙂 It's identical in every way, trust me. I personally found many PLS monitors to have slightly better black levels (although not nearly as good as VA), but that could be due to other outlying factors with the units I viewed.

I don't think 120hz PLS panels are around, i'm not sure though. Haven't kept up with all of the Korean models.

 

[Fastx]

Definitely not true regarding "not as good" 🙂 It's identical in every way, trust me. I personally found many PLS monitors to have slightly better black levels (although not nearly as good as VA), but that could be due to other outlying factors with the units I viewed.

I don't think 120hz PLS panels are around, i'm not sure though. Haven't kept up with all of the Korean models.

Here I still had the link below from my research but I will research PLS some more per you post.

Post #9
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2888855

PLS isn't quite as good as 10-bit IPS, colour-wise. PLS is cheaper IPS alternative, and that's that.

 

[socialdarwinist]

I grabbed a Dell U2713HM and have been very pleased with the 2560x1440 quality. I was also specifically looking for a matte screen as my apartment has windows galore. I don't do a ton of online FPS multiplayer but I don't have significant ghosting issues. I strongly considered the Monoprice and Auria 27" options as well given their fantastic prices (gets even cheaper if you go Korean on eBay) but grabbed the Dell on sale for $550, which I decided was a fair price for the peace of mind.

 

[blackened23]

Here I still had the link below from my research but I will research PLS some more per you post.

Post #9
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2888855

Let's clear some misconceptions about 10 bit color up: 🙂

That poster is an idiot for many reasons. First, because 10 bit color is not usable unless you have a Quadro , Tesla, or Firepro card. Secondly, 10 bit color is only usable in professional applications such as 3DS max, Maya, Adobe suite and ONLY in conjunction with one of the above professional cards costing thousands of dollars. This is because 10 bit color requires specific firmware, software, and drivers in conjunction with those applications. It also is not a D3D function, for applications which use 10 bit.

Consumer cards cannot display 10 bit color except in D3D which is 100% worthless because there are no D3D applications which support 10 bit color. Let's be clear: You do not worry about 10 bpc color unless you are a professional who needs it, such as a video/photo editor whose profession requires it. 10 bit color is *not accessible* to any of us except the extreme upper 1% of professionals whose profession requires it.

Finally, PLS can do 10 bit color with FRC. But this is a completely meaningless discussion, because 10 bit color is not usable for someone like you or me. You can look at reviews of PLS and IPS panel monitors on TFTCENTRAL. That is really the best place to look at reviews while filtering out general idiocy, as that poster from TPU that you linked - he has no idea what he's talking about. And believe me, that really is the best place to go because there's a TON of misinformation and idiocy on the 'net regarding IPS and PLS.

 

[Fastx]

That poster is an idiot for many reasons. First, because 10 bit color is not usable unless you have a Quadro , Tesla, or Firepro card. Secondly, 10 bit color is only usable in professional applications such as 3DS max, Maya, Adobe suite and ONLY in conjunction with one of the above professional cards costing thousands of dollars. This is because 10 bit color requires specific firmware, software, and drivers in conjunction with those applications.

Consumer cards cannot display 10 bit color except in D3D which is 100% worthless because there are no D3D applications which support 10 bit color. Let's be clear: You *DO NOT* buy a 10 bit panel unless you are a professional who needs it, such as a video/photo editor whose profession requires it. 10 bit color is *not accessible* to any of us except the extreme upper 1% of professionals whose profession requires it.

Finally, PLS can do 10 bit color with FRC. But this is a completely meaningless discussion, because 10 bit color is not usable for someone like you or me. You can look at reviews of PLS and IPS panel monitors on TFTCENTRAL. That is really the best place to look at reviews while filtering out general idiocy, as that poster from TPU that you linked - he has no idea what he's talking about.

Yeah I forgot about TFT Central from years ago I will check it out again now. I will do some more research on PLS and thanks for posting on PLS panels.

 

[24601]

In all the reviews I have seen, PLS panels ALWAYS had higher input latency than IPS panels.

Also you don't get the benefit of LG's 27 inch QHD IPS glut.

 

[omeds]

I had a 1440p PLS display (Samsung 850T) and recently swapped to a Dell U2913WM. The IQ on the Dell IPS is noticeably better with less banding, better contrasts, noticeably less input lag, as well as oc'ing to 76hz.


That said, neither are perfect for online FPS (although the Dell is far better), but if you want an FPS gaming display, you should be looking at the 144hz ASUS VG248QE imo.