There doesn't seem to be a ton of reviews on the 19" sub-$400 gaming LCDs, do you guys have favorites? I was almost ready to pull the trigger on this a couple of months ago and buy the ImageQuest L90D+. I'm slightly more weary of that display after seeing some of the problems the Hot Dealers have been having. Is there anything new since that model, or anything else I should consider? Thanks.
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If you use NVidia cards then you should consider turning VSync on by default in your card's properties. Otherwise you'll get some pretty terrible looking games on any LCD.
I'm still a total clueless newb as far as LCDs go...do they have a refresh rate at all? Why does Vsync help?
Is Vysnc on by default? I have a dell 2001fp and I have 0 complaints so far when it comes to games. Not sure if that option is on or not.
And no, the refresh rate shouldn't matter. That's just for CRTs.
And no, the refresh rate shouldn't matter. That's just for CRTs.
LCDs list a refresh rate, most are 60Mhz, but it's not a true refresh rate like a CRT has. In most games where fast motion and high frame rates are common you'll notice the difference between having and not having VSync enabled.
ATI enables VSync by default. NVidia does not. That's why I point this out, just for NVidia users.
Some games are fine w/o VSync, like RTS games. First person shooters are a mix though. Doom 3 benefits greatly from VSync and it shows in high traffic areas. UT2004 doesn't change much at all, but generally doesn't have a problem on an LCD in the first place. A game like World of Warcraft will really show you the benefits of VSync on an LCD. That game tears images like crazy if you get high frame rates without VSync enabled. If you notice excessive tearing in your games you'll know that VSync should be enabled. However, if you enable it by default you shouldn't get tearing ever.
Now all you gotta do is find a good monitor that wont blur with fast motion. Good luck.
ATI enables VSync by default. NVidia does not. That's why I point this out, just for NVidia users.
Some games are fine w/o VSync, like RTS games. First person shooters are a mix though. Doom 3 benefits greatly from VSync and it shows in high traffic areas. UT2004 doesn't change much at all, but generally doesn't have a problem on an LCD in the first place. A game like World of Warcraft will really show you the benefits of VSync on an LCD. That game tears images like crazy if you get high frame rates without VSync enabled. If you notice excessive tearing in your games you'll know that VSync should be enabled. However, if you enable it by default you shouldn't get tearing ever.
Now all you gotta do is find a good monitor that wont blur with fast motion. Good luck.
What happened to all you Samsung 930B users? There's like a humongous thread with so many ppl jumping on after buying theirs.
I get motion sickness occasionally on my CRT when I play at 60Mhz (especially in H2)--is this going to be better/worse with an LCD?
Thanks to all for the help.
If it's the flickering@60Hz that bothers you (I know it gives me headaches very quickly), yes, an LCD may be better. They don't flicker like a CRT, although they do *blur* because of the low(er) response time of the LCD elements. Some people hate this. Others don't notice it as much.
If you get motion sickness playing any games and any res/refresh settings, than I doubt an LCD will help.
Well, if I go up to about 75Hz or so on a CRT, I'm totally fine. It's just that 60Hz range that makes me ill.
Refresh rate hardly plays into an LCD. A 60Mhz LCD, as Matthias99 said, does not flicker like a CRT does. The headache effect is gone with an LCD.
Response time is what plays into ghosting, mostly. The quality of the screen and other factors are there too. Not all 16ms and/or 8ms response rate LCDs are made the same. There are some 16ms screens that blow most 8ms out of the water. Just remember to do your research and try to see the screen in action before you buy it. Hopefully, a local store will have one in stock.
This should not be an impulse buy.
Response time is what plays into ghosting, mostly. The quality of the screen and other factors are there too. Not all 16ms and/or 8ms response rate LCDs are made the same. There are some 16ms screens that blow most 8ms out of the water. Just remember to do your research and try to see the screen in action before you buy it. Hopefully, a local store will have one in stock.
This should not be an impulse buy.
I have the Hyundai L90D+ and love it. There is absolutely no ghosting during gameplay (that I can see anyway). Colors are sharp. It is an awesome display with DVI. And for only $360, its a great deal too.
I'm still leaning in this direction--I think the hot deal forum guys are probably just a couple of isolated incidents...I hear mostly positive things about this LCD. I have a friend who has a Sceptre, and I got to take a look at it, which seemed pretty nice as well...no ghosting that I could see. Seeing these at a retailer is a problem in my area, so I'm really looking at doing the order from Newegg and cross my fingers it doesn't suck.
As far as impulse buy, this is month three of me beating my head into the wall trying to decide what I wish to do, so I'm well beyond impulse buy.
I know people that have never changed their refresh rate up from 60 to 75 or 85 and I just don't know how the survive. I get a headache just being in the room...
A friend of mine got a 17" Scepte about 3 months ago, and it broke within a week. Only Sceptre I've seen, tho.
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This may OT, but I have a Dell 1905FP and love it. I have the DVI hooked into my vid card and the analog hooked up into my viewsonic N4 for console game playing and vcr and other svideo stuff all connected to a 7.1 stereo receiver. I notice the analog looks better for DVD playback and some games and DVI looks great for text. I cant, however get video playback from DVI, like, say from winamp or windows media. I can run a video file and if the LCD is in DVI I see no video but while its still playing and I switch the LCD to analog I see the video. Is this common with LCDs with DVI and analog inputs? Sorry for the OT. I am interested in the previous statements about Vsync. gonna try those settings later.
I know people that have never changed their refresh rate up from 60 to 75 or 85 and I just don't know how the survive. I get a headache just being in the room...[/quote]
Same for me. A friend of mine bought this huge NEC monitor and told me how grest it was and I come over to see it, and almost instantly my head starts pounding. His wife got them too, and didn't know why. They had upgraded the vid card when they got the monitor, and never thought about the refresh. I doubt they really knew how to do it.
It's a big issue that simply doesn't get enough attention paid to it. The first time I played Halflife 2 (not realizing that you had to set the refresh rate on the command line within steam), I got so sick I couln't even walk straight. I wish developers and the video board makers would pay more attention to it myself.
So....thanks for your help. It looks like I'm going to go with a 6800GT (not sure which brand yet, Leadtek perhaps) and the ImageQuest... :fingers crossed that I'm happy:
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