Gamespot says XBox Live is garbage compared to PS+ and should be dumped next gen

Discussion in 'Console Gaming' started by arredondo, Jan 3, 2013.

  1. smackababy

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    Running Linux, it will only play games with OpenGL. The majority of PC games are DX9+. The advantages of having a SteamBox over a console are none except you will get "Valve exclusives" which means nothing because they don't really release games. Console games are about exclusives. Valve won't have the MS ones (Halo) and they won't have the PS3 ones.
    As I stated, I didn't know Steam has the function because nobody I know uses it. And I can't find it.
    So in order to use Netflix on a SteamBox, I will have to launch a browers, browse to Netflix and then use it. Completely inferior to the Xbox and PS3 apps. Also the PS3 app before silverlight was trash. Can't comment on the Ubuntu version, but I don't have high hopes.
    The line is that 99% of PC games are DX9+. Those are unavailable on the SteamBox. The advantage the SteamBox would have had over the competitors (being able to play PC games on the TVv easily) is gone. Sure, the next CoD and Madden will be there, and on the other two consoles so people don't care about it. Now, at lot of console games get ported over to PC and then will need to be ported over to Linux / SteamBox. That will only increase the bitcing PC gamers already do about console ports.
    As I just explained, Valve has stomped nothing. Unless this comes in a box set with HL3, nobody will give a shit except PC gamers who will be majorly disappointed. This SteamBox offers no advantage over either console as it stands. Any game that will be available on consoles minus exclusives will be available. The few PC games available on Linux will be available. The games that get DX ports from console to PC won't make it to the SteamBox most likely.
     
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  3. smackababy

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    Your argument is that I have to buy a $200 license to play more than a few games on my console? Yeah, I am making up stories. SteamBox - 0, every other console - 1.
     
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    I'm too lazy to read all of this banter, but what about Wine/Cedega?
    http://gametreelinux.com/

    Although, I don't know how much the API translation would kill performance. :| Anyway, the biggest problem with Steam even being compared to XBOX Live or PSN is that MOST games that are on Steam aren't even designed for Steam. It seems that only recently developers have been embracing Steamworks as a comprehensive way of providing security/DRM and an effective player environment.
     
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    Read the Verve article. Didn't find anything about DirectX D3D. So please link or quote me something that will explain how all the DX games will work in a non-DirectX environment.

    I also can't think of any games that truly interact with Steam besides a DirectX injection (or whatever the OpenGL equivalent is) to show their overlay. Messaging, invites, all that stuff isn't really integrated into games. I guess Dota 2 has some of that functionality. Xbox Live has that built into tons of games. =)
     
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    /facepalm

    i'd say it is safe to say the amount of games that work seamlessly with xbox360 and ps3 right now outnumber those that work seamlessly on the steambox by roughly infinite percent.
     
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    it HAS to be in every game or else it isn't allowed to be on the console.
     
  9. smackababy

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    I was referring to games that didn't need the Xbox guide overlay to be opened to invite friends. Such as in the Halos and CoDs.

    I am also thinking MS might offer a Skype app eventually. Cross platform calls would be great.
     
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    ooooh i gotcha. i was thinking you just meant the games are live enabled so you can invite from in game and stuff.
     
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    Miracast is networking displays and has little to do with D3D. Shield is about processing something and streaming it to another device. This, again, has nothing to do with being able to run D3D games unless you have a PC running Windows streaming to your SteamBox. The other two don't bring up anything looking to be what you're speaking of in google right off the bat.

    So, again, it won't have the ability to play all the PC exclusives that aren't available on Linux already, which is a huge drawback (one that I think is a big fail because having all PC games become console games with a SteamBox would be a huge selling point).

    My other point about Steam having 1 games I can think of that has actual Steam functions integrated into the game, you have yet to address. I am not talking about the overlay. That isn't integration. That is a Direct X injection and not integrated. Dota 2 is the only game I can invite Steam friends from within the game.
     
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    You can join someone's game from within Borderlands 2. It's probably one of the better Steam integrations that I've seen... excluding any Valve games.
     
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    Yeah, no fanboy here.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    I didn't play BL2.
     
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    The 360 controller is the most ergonomic one available at the moment.

    If you relax your hands, your thumbs will rest naturally on the left stick and the buttons on the right.

    With the PS3 pad, your thumbs rest naturally on the D-Pad and the buttons on the right.

    Awful design that really needs to be changed.
     
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    They need to make a a hybrid of both the Xbox and PS3 controller. I love the button/stick placement of the Xbox controller but they need to integrate the battery and make it lighter like the PS3 and fix the dpad as well.
     
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    check out http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ls_o02_s00_i00 ... my top complaints about it were:

    no removeable battery (compared to the xbox, when I can just snap in a new rechargeable battery pack when I'm getting low instead of having to constantly reconnect the controller to the console)

    too light compared to the xbox (again, I like the weight that the battery adds)

    :awe:
     
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    This makes a lot more sense to me where you're at on what's important to online playing for you. I rarely go to public matches on Live so I miss all the kids running around talking smack. It is a fair enough point, but to me online aspects of a console include a lot more than just the ability to play games, that's a bare bones version of a console that's a given. (not a given as in free, just a given that a console with a online can do it)


    For me it's more than just movies, I also include things like the HBO app which allows me to watch more content that isn't available on Netflix or Amazon. Even things like Xbox Smartglass is part of the Live experience (from my point of view) so that's why I prefer it to others. I do however now understand better that it's not something you do, so I can understand how it has no value to you.

    Here's where I got a bit confused before, as I said for me Steam doesn't do everything Live does. Not even close, it may do the bare bones online gaming stuff, while important isn't all PS and Xbox do online. The Ads thing I go back and forth about, on one hand I don't like someone adding ads to my screen, but on the other they've never been distracting to me. I would like to point out, Steam advertises to me as well. The sales they're having, or new games available show up. It's just more focused (and I don't debate not as obtrusive) advertising.

    If Big Picture is what's coming with the Steam box then they have a lot of ground to make up. Both PS and the Xbox offer a lot more than just games, even Nintendo offers more and from all accounts they're struggling to get this new system of theirs taken seriously as a platform.
     
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  23. smackababy

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    The Xbox controller's triggers also feel more better than the PS3's R2/L2 buttons. They always just feel like Sony said "oh me too, we have triggers too!" and never really put a lot of thought into the design. For games that rely more on both sticks (FPS, Dark Souls, and such) I wish the right stick was where the buttons were on the 360 though. That is where your thumb naturally rests.
     
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    i have quite a few 3 month trials i'd be willing to unload for a pretty low price.