[GameGPU] Q1 2015 GPU Market share

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AnandThenMan

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Same doom and gloom predictions happened at the HD2900XT time as well back in Q2 2007.
The 2900XT was one of the worst GPUs ever made, right now AMD's stuff is not nearly that bad so it makes you wonder why their marketshare is so low. On the flip side Nvidia has come out with worse and look where they are now.

I don't know if AMD can come back and dominate or at least get to 50% but never say never.
 

AtenRa

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The 2900XT was one of the worst GPUs ever made, right now AMD's stuff is not nearly that bad so it makes you wonder why their marketshare is so low. On the flip side Nvidia has come out with worse and look where they are now.

I don't know if AMD can come back and dominate or at least get to 50% but never say never.

Simple, AMD doesnt sell many sub $100 anymore as NVIDIA still does. Its hilarious, you can find both Desktops and Laptops with Intel Haswell HD4400/4600 graphics paired with GT620 and GT620M.

The Intel HD4600 with dual Memory is faster(or at least equal) but what the hell, lets install an NVIDIA dGPU just for the name. :p
 
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AnandThenMan

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Of course the mobile stuff AMD mysteriously abandoned is a big problem for them, but AMD is also losing in discrete. I suppose the reference 290's are part of the problem but the fact we still see them used in reviews in a whole other issue AMD needs to deal with.
 

AtenRa

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Of course the mobile stuff AMD mysteriously abandoned is a big problem for them, but AMD is also losing in discrete. I suppose the reference 290's are part of the problem but the fact we still see them used in reviews in a whole other issue AMD needs to deal with.

NVIDIA currently dominates the enthusiast segment ($300+).
They also have a nice advantage with the GTX750 and GTX960.

AMD needs to at least release new competitive products in those segments. Sub $100 can be filled up with APUs.
 

JDG1980

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Since NV keeps releasing brand new architectures every 2 years but AMD is using the older style approach where their design architectures to last 4-5 years (remember VLIW lasted from 2006 all the way to 2011!), AMD starts off good in the first 1-2 years of a new architecture but then it starts to age considering NV brings out a brand new architecture 2 years after. By the time Pascal is released in 2016, NV will have gone through 3 brand new architectures in 5 years (2012-2016), while AMD will still be on GCN, which traces its roots back to December 2011. It's a very risky strategy that AMD has implemented to rely on the same architecture and improving it over the course of 4-5 years to remain competitive.

I understand why AMD needed to create a new flagship chip to maintain their image and they can reuse it as shrunken 14nm HBM2 mid-range chip for next gen but they can't fit a 250-300W Fiji chip into laptops. What's their plan a 2048 shader Tonga XT again? They really need a 2560 or even 2816 shader card in laptops at 100-125W TDP and I have my doubts this is happening with R9 300M series.

The fact that AMD is continuing to use GCN isn't the problem. The problem is that AMD blew a large portion of its R&D budget on the assumption that 20nm would be viable, and when it turned out it wasn't, there was no backup plan.

GCN 1.2 is actually fairly competitive if you look at the top binned chips (R9 M295X). These are more powerful than the GTX 960 for about the same TDP (125W). The problem is that AMD only releases the trash silicon to AIBs, so the desktop R9 285 looks really bad. (The fact that it has 2GB of RAM instead of 4GB only makes matters worse.) And the current Tonga chips are done on TSMC; the low-leakage GloFo process designed for GPUs should improve perf/watt at least marginally.

In retrospect, AMD should have had a full GCN 1.2 lineup (at least 3 chips, replacing Hawaii, Tahiti, and Pitcairn) available in mid to late 2014, and all fabbed on the GloFo 28nm SHP process. Then they would have had competition ready for big-core Maxwell, and Fiji in mid-2015 would just be the crowning touch on top, not the pillar on which the entire GPU division's destiny rests.

I can't prove it, but I think what happened is that AMD was going to do the GCN 1.2 cards on TSMC 20nm. It failed, and AMD had to scramble to put Tonga into production on TSMC 28nm via a reverse die shrink, since it had already been promised to Apple for the Retina iMac and couldn't be delayed without a major penalty. This threw AMD's already precarious R&D budget out of whack, and very little was left for what needed to be done.

Hopefully AMD has at least scraped up enough to port the chips over to GloFo for the 300 series, or else they'll be going through the next 18 months or more with absolutely nothing worthwhile for most enthusiasts in either CPUs or GPUs.
 
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I think AMD will make a massive comeback in 2nd half 2015 or fall on their face no in between. Just a hunch.

AMD will survive even if they sell zero dGPU due to custom SoC wins & consoles, it just won't be good for gamers without competition keeping it sane on prices.

I'm predicting a big come back on 14nm with HBM2, it's going to make their Zen APUs awesome.
 
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Of course the mobile stuff AMD mysteriously abandoned is a big problem for them, but AMD is also losing in discrete. I suppose the reference 290's are part of the problem but the fact we still see them used in reviews in a whole other issue AMD needs to deal with.

They didn't "mysteriously abandon" it. The reason is crystal clear. Their gpus are not competitive in performance per watt.
 

xthetenth

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AMD will survive even if they sell zero dGPU due to custom SoC wins & consoles, it just won't be good for gamers without competition keeping it sane on prices.

I'm predicting a big come back on 14nm with HBM2, it's going to make their Zen APUs awesome.

I'm really hoping for that, they could make a really compelling product and finally make the APU dream happen.
 

tviceman

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I don't. The way they do it now lets informed enthusiasts know what to expect.

So you would prefer to buy the next x80 card from nvidia without knowing if its 300-400mm2 vs 500-600mm2 and where it sits in their stack? I guess if you like your milking extra thick......

I don't buy a graphics card based on it's code name or die size. Those two variables will never, ever, be a factor in my consideration for what I choose to purchase. I don't care what bus size, how many ROP's, what manufacturing process, or what kind of memory. All I want is the best combination of performance, perf/w, and acoustics in the price range I am looking at. Everything else is trivial.
 

SolMiester

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I didn't hear much about "only 4GB" with the GTX 980 which was Nvidia's flagship from Oct 2014 until just March of this year. Love the GPU forum regulars constant goal repositioning, matches well with review sites doing the same *cough* FCAT *cough*.

I dont think anyone ever thought the 980 was the flagship?, they all knew GM200 was the flagship chip!
 

SolMiester

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I put a WF 290 in a 430W Dell Inspiron midtower and it plays games really well. No problems so far. Worst case scenario, I have to replace the PSU if it ever explodes.

Ummm no!..Worse case scenario is if the PSU lets go and takes the entire PC with it, ie: mainboard and expansions cards connected.
 

therealnickdanger

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Ummm no!..Worse case scenario is if the PSU lets go and takes the entire PC with it, ie: mainboard and expansions cards connected.

Not sure if serious... I've been doing this type of thing (exceeding recommended specs) for 25 years and that has never happened. Maybe I'm just super lucky and if that is so, then it's worth the risk for the amount of money it has saved me over the years. Quite simply, the power demands of GPUs and constraints of PSUs are greatly exaggerated.
 

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Not sure if serious... I've been doing this type of thing (exceeding recommended specs) for 25 years and that has never happened. Maybe I'm just super lucky and if that is so, then it's worth the risk for the amount of money it has saved me over the years. Quite simply, the power demands of GPUs and constraints of PSUs are greatly exaggerated.

My last system went scrap with sudden PSU failure, DVD drive was the only thing that survived. I was asking for it though, beating 6y old system with games that barely ran on it anyway.
 

therealnickdanger

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My last system went scrap with sudden PSU failure, DVD drive was the only thing that survived. I was asking for it though, beating 6y old system with games that barely ran on it anyway.

Hmm, that sucks. Well I'll keep it in mind, but I like to live on the edge.
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exar333

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I dont think anyone ever thought the 980 was the flagship?, they all knew GM200 was the flagship chip!

It was the fastest, most expensive GPU NV offered. That's a flagship.

It may not have been THE flagship for Maxwell, but it was top-dog for how many months? Now it is not. :)
 

shady28

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Sure. So the July stats for GTX 960 should be higher than the stats for R9 200 series.

The fact we are comparing a single Nvidia GPU SKU to the use of the entire current AMD R9 lineup should be telling, but whatever.

So let's revisit this in 3 months time and see whether your prediction is true or not, shall we?


Looks like we don't need to wait 3 months, only one.

The 960 is the #2 fastest growing card in terms of market share.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/


AMD Radeon R9 200 Series 1.04% +0.05%

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 1.08% +0.30%

And the #1 fastest growing card in terms of market share :

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 3.45% +0.40%
 

ShintaiDK

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I think its safe to conclude that AMDs share continues its free fall.

Even GTX 980 increased at a higher rate than the entire R9 200 series with 0.07%.

R7 200 series is 0.3% increase. Even worse than R9.