alkemyst
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beheading a couple of girls father in front of them didn't seem over the top to you?
Should they have Joffrey playing with dolls and having a nanny read him fables?
beheading a couple of girls father in front of them didn't seem over the top to you?
Should they have Joffrey playing with dolls and having a nanny read him fables?
Drako
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He did a damn good job getting "reader hate" with the Arya/buthcer's boy incident, very early on in book one.
I'm not sure why Alky thinks there is a slow build up of hate towards Joffrey, because it was pretty immediate for me
Every time Joffrey shows up in the book he does something heinous.
zokudu
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Either way I don't think the scene with the whores last episode was necessary. He's a big enough doucher without adding in random awful things for him to do.
Also if I was the whore who was about to be beaten to near death, I'd say fuck it and try and kick his little ass.
Also if I was the whore who was about to be beaten to near death, I'd say fuck it and try and kick his little ass.
alkemyst
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I never said slow build up bro. I said the book gets more time to show it.
People will argue anything here it's clear.
The end result is Joffrey is a maniac and many 'tv viewers' as witnessed above already have a hard time keeping up with the story line. They have to dumb it down for everyone.
People will argue anything here it's clear.
The end result is Joffrey is a maniac and many 'tv viewers' as witnessed above already have a hard time keeping up with the story line. They have to dumb it down for everyone.
alkemyst
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Sure you would. You'd take being tortured to death, over a beating by another girl.
The point of this was his Uncle hired those women. The Uncle was defied by Joffrey. It's showing how Joffrey is quickly alienating himself even from those trying to support him.
This is the point of that beating.
Murloc
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yeah it was not vital to the storyline, but they had to put something and this was the idea they came up with. Deal with it.
The passage serves as the confirmation that Joffrey isn't just a evil boy, but that he's a true psycho, because he prefers violence to sex. That's something that was not clear before, maybe he would just be a violent man who beats his wife, now we know it's worse (by "we" I mean anyone who has not read the books, such as me).
EDIT: yeah I agree with alki too, the imp was clearly defined as an opposing force to Cersei, but Joffrey's relationship with him was completely absent from the series. Now we know there's bad blood.
The passage serves as the confirmation that Joffrey isn't just a evil boy, but that he's a true psycho, because he prefers violence to sex. That's something that was not clear before, maybe he would just be a violent man who beats his wife, now we know it's worse (by "we" I mean anyone who has not read the books, such as me).
EDIT: yeah I agree with alki too, the imp was clearly defined as an opposing force to Cersei, but Joffrey's relationship with him was completely absent from the series. Now we know there's bad blood.
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The season has 10 episodes and the material in the book could easily fill 12 episodes.
They have to condense the story line and that sometimes requires one or two heinous scenes to illustrate how cruel Joffrey is instead of using several scenes to do the same thing.
It's going to become an even bigger conundrum for the show producers in the upcoming seasons. A Storm of Swords is even longer than a Clash of Kings (second book / season 2)
They have to condense the story line and that sometimes requires one or two heinous scenes to illustrate how cruel Joffrey is instead of using several scenes to do the same thing.
It's going to become an even bigger conundrum for the show producers in the upcoming seasons. A Storm of Swords is even longer than a Clash of Kings (second book / season 2)
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Drako
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DB Weiss and David Benioff have said in several interviews that book 3 may end up being 2 seasons.
"Well… “A Storm of Swords” is too long to fit in a single season. And as readers know, “A Feast for Crows” and “A Dance with Dragons” takes place during roughly the same time frame, so we’ll have to fold those together. The plan, if we’re lucky enough to be given the opportunity to see it through, is to use as many seasons as we need to tell the story as a whole, to do justice to George’s entire opus."
The interview on HBOGO, one of them said was the that the plan was for a 10 year show
Anubis
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man i dont want to wait that longThe interview on HBOGO, one of them said was the that the plan was for a 10 year show
zokudu
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DB Weiss and David Benioff have said in several interviews that book 3 may end up being 2 seasons.
"Well A Storm of Swords is too long to fit in a single season. And as readers know, A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons takes place during roughly the same time frame, so well have to fold those together. The plan, if were lucky enough to be given the opportunity to see it through, is to use as many seasons as we need to tell the story as a whole, to do justice to Georges entire opus."
The interview on HBOGO, one of them said was the that the plan was for a 10 year show
Maybe by then we will have book 6
Maybe by then we will have book 6
GRRM needs to either get ona tread mill or the typewriter, or we will never see the end of these books.
Thanks. One more question, the names Arya was reciting seems like a list of all the people that have screwed her or her family over. Correct?
zokudu
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Yea. In the show Yoren tells her that's how he coped with the horrible things he has witnessed in life so she picks up the habit.
alkemyst
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She is making a list of people she wants to kill. I wont post spoilers, but that is an important distinction.
Question... I am coming from no HBO land, so I am just guessing....
Arya is just deciding what she wants to do with herself. The books get REALLY funky with her later. I really want to see where they go with her, but there are quite a few things still WAY up in the air, even after all the books....
Has the hound showed up and gone with Arya yet? I think you said so in post # 1538, but I do not want to spoil it
Arya is just deciding what she wants to do with herself. The books get REALLY funky with her later. I really want to see where they go with her, but there are quite a few things still WAY up in the air, even after all the books....
LOL! If you've read his blog, he was taking the rest of the year off after he finished the last book. Then there was football season, now he's traveling. In the last year he has never mentioned writing the next book. He has a few other writing projects he's mentioned.
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RE: Magic - One of the great things about this series (books and TV) is that it does not overly rely on magic to advance the story. In fact, almost all of the characters take same view of magic as you or I, e.g. they don't believe in that shit. They don't believe in the weird shit beyond the Wall, they don't believe there are any more dragons, they don't believe in "green dreams", etc.
Not to beat the LOTR comparisons into the ground, but in Tolkien's world, magic was just a matter of fact. Martin made an effort to avoid that approach because he felt that it was sort of cheating.
Not to beat the LOTR comparisons into the ground, but in Tolkien's world, magic was just a matter of fact. Martin made an effort to avoid that approach because he felt that it was sort of cheating.
I kind of agree with this. Yes I know this is a fantasy series (and I read the first 2 books), but this scene just goes against the tone set by the rest of the show. Not to mention the fact that it wasnt even described explicitly in the books (just implied), so there wasnt even any reason for them to do it this way.
The Hound doesn't leave Kings Landing until the battle of the Blackwater, which I think is going to be Ep 9 of this season.
because he's a fucking psychopath?
but he lacks the courage, for lack of a better word, to do any of itself (hence why he has to use his knights to beat Sansa)
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