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Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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JEDI

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to simplify things so the story can fit into a 10 episode TV series?

the direction in which things are unfolding for the POV characters is largely the same regardless of the changes, and in some cases we can argue its making events that are only alluded to in the books better/more clear
what?! no normal 22 episode season?! :(
 

dwell

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Tywin Lannister is actually a likable character in the series. He was a real cunthammer in the books.
 

Merad

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Alfie Allen is doing a good job of making his character more sympathetic than I found him to be in the books.
You think so? In season 1 Theon was probably a tad more likeable (maybe 1/10 instead of -5/10) but for most of season 2 he's been a royal douche.

Edit: The actor is doing great, the character is supposed to be a prick.
 

alkemyst

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wow.. if he's high assasin, then being locked up in that cart traveling to the WALL just a cover? if so, what?
I think you really would benefit from the wiki, you have seemed to miss just about everything in the series.

Unless of course you are trying to troll.
 

blankslate

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You think so? In season 1 Theon was probably a tad more likeable (maybe 1/10 instead of -5/10) but for most of season 2 he's been a royal douche.

Edit: The actor is doing great, the character is supposed to be a prick.

Yeah, you see why he's a prick and get a sense that it's more a matter of his circumstances rather than an actual deep down desire to be a prick. If his father had accepted Robb Stark's offer do you think Theon Greyjoy would be sacking Winterfell?
 

Ninjahedge

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In the books he is an Anti-hero. The bad guy you end up liking because he really is not all that bad... especially after you see everyone around him.

many of George's characters are the same. There are few you will love or hate 100% for various reasons.


Most of them are remarkably HUMAN.
 

vi edit

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Tywin Lannister is actually a likable character in the series. He was a real cunthammer in the books.
He easily has one of the *best* scenes in the TV series. Him skinning that stag/elk while talking to Jamie is symbolism that the book could never have relayed as effectively. They way they introduced him, the methodical way he went about his business field dressing the house crest of the fallen king...

Just awesome.
 

dwell

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He easily has one of the *best* scenes in the TV series. Him skinning that stag/elk while talking to Jamie is symbolism that the book could never have relayed as effectively. They way they introduced him, the methodical way he went about his business field dressing the house crest of the fallen king...

Just awesome.
Agreed. Great scene and great actor.
 

blankslate

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He easily has one of the *best* scenes in the TV series. Him skinning that stag/elk while talking to Jamie is symbolism that the book could never have relayed as effectively. They way they introduced him, the methodical way he went about his business field dressing the house crest of the fallen king...

Just awesome.
This is an example of how the television format can ad interesting touches that the character point of view structure of the book prevents.

Another one is where Ned tells the Night Watchman Yoren "Baelor" as he passes him by on his way to be executed. Yoren then looks at the statue of Baelor where Arya is crouched and goes to help her.

It cuts both ways though. So far the Jon / Ygritte thing while offering up some interesting dialogue makes Jon out to be more of an idiot whereas in the book narrative he was just green and inexperienced.
 
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My biggest problem with Tywin & Arya is that he obviously knows she is educated and likely highborn. He knows she is lying to him. The only conclusion he could draw is that she is associated with his enemy. That puts him in danger, she could be a spy or as was suggested in the show, might try to kill him. Additionally, holding the daughter of potentially one of your enemy lords could open some war strategies (ransom, blackmail etc.). Despite all that, the REAL Tywin probably would have just executed her for lying, or tortured her to find some intel. And WTF was up with Littlefinger being there? Are we supposed to thinking he recognized her there? No idea how that will impact either of their arcs..

Also, Jaqen H'ghar doesn't really operate like a knight in shining armor, as his emergency assassination of Amory Lorch (sp?) (whom she never had killed either) would indicate
. Furthermore its not really arya-like to do something as stupid as steal letters in plain sight, carry in plain sight, and go running for help.

BLAH
 

chimaxi83

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If only there was a GoT BOOK thread, where all the angry book readers could go to debate the merits of following the book story line to the letter, or making it into a television series for people who don't give a shit and have never heard of GoT before HBO.
 

alkemyst

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My biggest problem with Tywin & Arya is that he obviously knows she is educated and likely highborn. He knows she is lying to him. The only conclusion he could draw is that she is associated with his enemy. That puts him in danger, she could be a spy or as was suggested in the show, might try to kill him. Additionally, holding the daughter of potentially one of your enemy lords could open some war strategies (ransom, blackmail etc.). Despite all that, the REAL Tywin probably would have just executed her for lying, or tortured her to find some intel. And WTF was up with Littlefinger being there? Are we supposed to thinking he recognized her there? No idea how that will impact either of their arcs..

Also, Jaqen H'ghar doesn't really operate like a knight in shining armor, as his emergency assassination of Amory Lorch (sp?) (whom she never had killed either) would indicate
. Furthermore its not really arya-like to do something as stupid as steal letters in plain sight, carry in plain sight, and go running for help.

BLAH
small talk <> social status.

I am sure you'd flip out and kill everyone in the room.
 

Aikouka

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I don't think there's anything too wrong with discussing the merits of the book-to-show transfer. While the show is essentially stand-alone, it's still based on the book. Ultimately, the point of the show is to convey the characters and ultimately the plotline that's found in the book. The discussions here seem to be talking about how the show may be doing a poor job at doing just that.
 

chimaxi83

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I don't think there's anything too wrong with discussing the merits of the book-to-show transfer. While the show is essentially stand-alone, it's still based on the book. Ultimately, the point of the show is to convey the characters and ultimately the plotline that's found in the book. The discussions here seem to be talking about how the show may be doing a poor job at doing just that.
That doesn't matter much though, for the vast majority of show watchers who know nothing of the books.
 

dwell

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If only there was a GoT BOOK thread, where all the angry book readers could go to debate the merits of following the book story line to the letter, or making it into a television series for people who don't give a shit and have never heard of GoT before HBO.
Yeah we need a place to bitch about Jon Snow being Ned Stark's father from the future.

Oh, sorry, book spoiler.
 

Ninjahedge

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That doesn't matter much though, for the vast majority of show watchers who know nothing of the books.
Are (they) looking for pity? ;)

The one line that needs to be kept is the NO SPOILER clause that most here have been very good at keeping.

The fact that people keep referring to one or the other and comparing them is testament to the fact that they have been fairly good with "keeping true" to the base storyline and character development. There have been some contradictions or instabilities, but being able to keep this story relatively "true" is what keeps the book readers coming in here after seeing the latest episodes.

I think it also gives a bit more background and storyline to know some of the plots that are not addressed in the series. It ads a bit of depth to the characters and should encourage people to read the book.

Hell, even reading the book and giving ALL the spoilers would STILL leave so many unanswered questions.

George is rather..... enigmatic when it comes to plot resolutions.....
 

Ninjahedge

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Yeah we need a place to bitch about Jon Snow being Ned Stark's father from the future.

Oh, sorry, book spoiler.
:D

I AM, however, wondering who that dark guy that is with the others is (book... I do not know if they have him in the series yet.....) ....... I will say no more, but it seems like he could be a significant plot twist once revealed (in book or series).
 

BrokenVisage

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If only there was a GoT BOOK thread, where all the angry book readers could go to debate the merits of following the book story line to the letter, or making it into a television series for people who don't give a shit and have never heard of GoT before HBO.
We ALL hold the power you know, the power to create! To create a thread in time... a thread FOR book discussion, a thread where people can go to discuss what happens in book #927 without having to think about spoiler tag usage as much. Such power, and we ALL hold it, but who will use it?? You would think somebody would have done it by now.
 

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