Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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fuzzybabybunny

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obvious answer to Jon Snow being dead or alive:

they're shooting Season6 right now.

is the actor playing jon snow seen in any of the shoots?
Show runners usually shoot out of order, sometimes vastly out of order. So the absence of an actor working may not be the best determination at present time of a character's fate.
 

nageov3t

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Sounds like Dorne and Dany would make natural allies in their revenge of and quest for, respectively, the throne. They also share the same values and are the only two kingdoms that actually seem to value kindness versus backstabbing.

it would make sense.

Dorne was allied with the Targeryeans during Robert's Rebellion, which is how this whole mess got started when Elia Martell, married to the Crown Prince, was raped and murdered by the Mountain during the fall of King's Landing.

Doran Martell would be Danaerys' uncle in law? or something like that.
 

PingviN

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This author is a fucking asshole. He just keeps killing people off, for no particular reason.

Initially, that was a pretty fresh take on things, but now? Seriously, fuck him.
 

cronos

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isn't that The Dornish chick and sister-lover to the Spaniard dude killed by the Mountain last season? Her other brother is the crippled dude and current lord of Dorn.

I was making a joke that he said 'her brother'. The two aren't siblings. She was his brother's paramour, that's it.
 

zinfamous

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I was making a joke that he said 'her brother'. The two aren't siblings. She was his brother's paramour, that's it.

They are cousins or something, though--definitely family. That's how Prince Spaniard dude introduced her last season, and when she was talking to Jamie in the previous episode, something like, "Here in Dorn, people are free to have these relationships. It is odd that your family is forced into shame"
 

JEDI

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the new triumvirate rulers of Mereen:
Tyrion, Greyworm and the girl (melisa?)

what does she contribute to help govern?

heck, what does she do even when Dany was there?
 

Dr. Zaus

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I was not happy with the bow-and-arrow bitch at Winterfel.

Most importantly, what I read in this thread, are a lot of very good moves being shat upon by book readers when the show disagrees with the book. Because his holiness Grrm isn't involved, it becomes criticism time.


and let's just admit it folks... you want the good girl, but you need the bad pussy.
 
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Charmonium

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I was making a joke that he said 'her brother'. The two aren't siblings. She was his brother's paramour, that's it.
I guess I screwed that up. I'm not sure why I thought they were siblings. I just remember the scene from last week where he pardoned her and thought that he said something along those line but obviously not.
 

dr150

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This author is a fucking asshole. He just keeps killing people off, for no particular reason.

Initially, that was a pretty fresh take on things, but now? Seriously, fuck him.

Totally agree.

The show has jumped the shark if he doesn't come back.

From all "insider" intents and purposes, he isn't.
 

CZroe

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Characters have been merged in the past already -- as recently as Sansa in Winterfell.
So? What does that have to do with anything? It's your revaluation about the merged character we aren't supposed to know about that causes a problem. Duh.

You shouldn't call someone an idiot just because you're mad that you didn't consider a possibility that has already occurred in the series.
o_O Are you seriously that dense?

Consolidation has always been a part of Game of Thrones, and it's usually a part of any book-to-visual adaptation. But don't worry... there's always next time.
There's no way you could possibly think I had an issue with consolidation. You said that a certain outcome would fit if a certain character we aren't supposed to know about were merged with this character, which strongly reinforces a certain possible outcome for a question we had about the character we know. SCREW. YOU.

...and what character from the book did I tell you about? Can you name them? Oh, that's right... I made it purposefully vague as not to introduce anything to a person that only watches the show.
...and then you totally derped and said it that a merge with a character I can name and DO know would explain something BIG. Being vague with the irrelevant source character's names is not the same as being vague with the strong possibilities you are suggesting for another character.

To be honest, I only know about this character through an article on omitted characters that people want to see the most in the show.
Has it not been made perfectly clear to you that those are exactly the details we do not want?! SCREW OFF.
 

JEDI

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if jon snow is dead:

1) I wonder how the red witch will put his blood to good use?

2) will there be another character to follow as a major character to replace snow?

or as the show winds down to a close, more major chars will be killed off till you only have 1? (or even 0)?
 

chowderhead

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yup, that's what I said in one of my posts weeks ago, as well.

it seems like the Lord of Light wants the Brathenon blood line dead.
Why, I don't know.

maybe the LoL is an magical entity that's the opposite of the White Walkers?
he's trying to save the world form the White Walkers in his own way? and eliminating the Brathelon blood line was necessary for his plans?

as I said it b4 many times.. whats so special about King's blood?
just because you sit on the throne doesn't make your blood special. What if it was Ned Stark who became king instead of Roberts after the death of the Mad king?

Elimination of the Baratheon blood line makes more sense instead of 'kings blood' being special.

Robert (and Stannis/Renly) Baratheon had a grandmother who was a Targaryen so I agree that it could be that it's the Targaryen's blood that is the "king's blood." Why would Melisandre go through this convoluted plan to remove the Baratheons when it's the Lannisters who are in control and they are further away from Targaryen blood. Melisandre probably did believe that Stannis was the Azor Ahai until she saw his men desert him and his cause lost.
 
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Phoenix86

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&#8220;Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born.&#8221;

~Maester Aemon

That line was in the 'previous on' segment.
 

mrjminer

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I was not happy with the bow-and-arrow bitch at Winterfel.

Most importantly, what I read in this thread, are a lot of very good moves being shat upon by book readers when the show disagrees with the book. Because his holiness Grrm isn't involved, it becomes criticism time.


and let's just admit it folks... you want the good girl, but you need the bad pussy.

The bow and arrow chick seemed pretty out of place to me, too.

“Kill the boy, Jon Snow. Winter is almost upon us. Kill the boy and let the man be born.”

~Maester Aemon

That line was in the 'previous on' segment.

I can see him coming back. The undead ice commander seemed to take some special interest with Jon Snow when he was fighting the lesser commander in the battle at the end of episode 9, and then again right at the end when he rose the army back up.
 

PingviN

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or as the show winds down to a close, more major chars will be killed off till you only have 1? (or even 0)?

If they're going to tie all of this up in Season 6, they'll have to kill pretty much everyone.
 

Aikouka

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Has it not been made perfectly clear to you that those are exactly the details we do not want?! SCREW OFF.

Dude... seriously... quit bitching like a whiny little scamp and report me if you have a problem with it.
 

manimal

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The Dothraki don't care about bloodlines, royalty or lines of succession. They follow strength. Period.

Melisandre seemed very interested in Jon at Castle Black, before she left for Winterfell. When talking of her visions, she has never placed Stannis clearly in them this season ("Bolton banners are burning", "I am walking the walls of Winterfell"), I'm not sure what exactly she has said earlier either. After meeting Jon, she may have thought that Stannis may not be what she thought. The poor return on Shireens sacrifice (half of his men left with all of the horses) told her that she was on the wrong track. If the leeches paid so well, burning Shireen (standing even, to ensure she suffered as much as possible) should have made every Bolton spontaneously combust.

And I suppose Tyrion will spend two and a half season trying to manage the unruly city of Mereen now. That is going to take a lot of wine.

The sacrifice would be for saving John Snow if he was in fact this chosen one that she believes she is helping. All the things shes done has helped john in some way. If he becomes free of his vows by dying and coming back to life whats to stop him from taking fraggle rock red beard and his army south to winterfell. If the people knew Neds kin was marching on winterfell they would help wouldnt they?

She brings him back like Thoros of Mir boom episode 8 or 9 next season with bran being revealed as the next tree guy like in babylon 5. First half of the season will the dating of unic soldier and Dany. TONS OF dany storyline next year I wager.
 

Aikouka

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The sacrifice would be for saving John Snow if he was in fact this chosen one that she believes she is helping. All the things shes done has helped john in some way. If he becomes free of his vows by dying and coming back to life whats to stop him from taking fraggle rock red beard and his army south to winterfell. If the people knew Neds kin was marching on winterfell they would help wouldnt they?

But Shereen's sacrifice seemed to definitely affect the snow/weather, which was something that Stannis needed to march on Winterfel.

Although, I definitely agree with people saying that Jon being betrayed allows him to finally leave the Night's Watch... well, at least not before he has some fun "haunting" people -- like that little bastard, Olly. :awe:
 
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Oh, and I shed a tear for poor Jon Show. One of the few decent and effective leaders left on the show.

Generally speaking, a leader who is intentionally murdered by his own men is not an effective leader. He may have been a decent man, but so was Ned Stark, and look where that got him. Jon Snow was an idealistic imbecile who completely misjudged the honor and integrity of the people around him.
 

TheAdvocate

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Jon bucked the system too much. He broke nearly every part of the vows, and let the Wildlings in. He was the what 998th Lord Commander? That's a long time for those traditions. The rebellion was inevitable given those circumstances.

That said, the Wall wasn't built to keep the Wildlings out, and Jon wasn't the first LC to make peace with them. But those details have been lost to antiquity. I like the realism of that.