Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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lxskllr

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I forgot why the Night's Watch sacrificed a baby to be turned into a white walker. Why did that do again? Make the WW's happy as a form of appeasement so they didn't attack the wall or something?

That wasn't Night's Watch. That was the guy in the supply outpost that wanted a fresh supply of daughters to fuck, and no competition.
 

Dr. Zaus

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Man, fucking incredible episode. Loved all of it.

Theon finally revealing the truth. Everything with Cersei and with Dany/Tyrion. Then of course the ending which was just epic. Amazing stuff. Really the only so-so bit was with Arya, but even that was ok (loved her smile at the end after getting her assassination task).

So much fun! :awe:

KT

"I don't think she's ready"

"Maybe she is, Maybe she isn't, If she isn't she'll have to jump from a tower into a cart filled with straw"
 

JEDI

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"I don't think she's ready"

"Maybe she is, Maybe she isn't, If she isn't she'll have to jump from a tower into a cart filled with straw"

faceless man didn't say that.

and what happened to the bag of dragon glass?
would that have killed the zombies?

and why would a normal sword thru a zombie's chest kill it??
 

CZroe

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faceless man didn't say that.



and what happened to the bag of dragon glass?

would that have killed the zombies?



and why would a normal sword thru a zombie's chest kill it??

Jon tried to get it but a white walker pulled him away. The fight spilled outside and he was unable to go back. A fellow crow told him to forget the dragon glass because they were dead if they stayed any longer.
 

Gooberlx2

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and why would a normal sword thru a zombie's chest kill it??

You talking about the white walker? Or the wights? The "zombies" or wights, weren't killed by the conventional weapons. I remember seeing at least one wight fighting with an arrow sticking out its head. I'm guessing, aside from fire, the only way to really incapacitate them is to break them into pieces.

For the white walker, Jon's sword is Valyrian steel. Old Valyria, where Friendzone and Tyrion sailed through and got attacked, is also where dragons come from. I don't remember if it's been explicitly stated, but it's a logical jump to say that valyrian steel was probably originally forged with dragonfire.
 

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"Oh, you killed one of my minions...."
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Sonikku

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That was Craster, a wildling, and not The Night's Watch. They visited him and he tried to keep it a secret. It was part of his pact with the white walkers to be left alone and part of why he was able to survive so far north without constantly moving around like the other wildlings.

So the whitewalker's can be negotiated with?
 

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faceless man didn't say that.

and what happened to the bag of dragon glass?
would that have killed the zombies?

and why would a normal sword thru a zombie's chest kill it??

That's John Snow's sword named Longclaw which is made out of Valyrian Steel and also has the ability to defeat White Walkers. The knowledge / ability to make new Valyrian Steel has been lost so only a finite number of VS swords are available in the world now. The other VS sword I know off the top of my head is Oathkeeper, owned first by Jaime and then given to Brienne.
 
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oh, he's turned down for a new policy. that makes sense. sort of.

The thin man is an insurance agent for ship captains and he's crooked.

The wager:

A ship captain pays the thin man.

If the ship captain dies, the thin man pays his family lots of money and thin man "loses" the "wager." If the ship captain lives, the thin man "wins" the "wager" since he collected the insurance premium.

The scene is confusing for a number of reasons - you have to realize that there are TWO ship captains the scene refers to.

The thin man sold insurance to a ship captain (who you do not see in the scene) and when that ship captain died, the thin man simply chose NOT to pay the captain's family.

From the 'Hardhome' script:

JAQEN: The man is a gambler. He wages that his sailor's ship will make it to its destination. It is a strange wager for the captain. He only wins if he loses his life.

ARYA: So why would a captain make the wager in the first place?

JAQEN: A girl tells a man that she has seen.

ARYA: If the captain dies, the thin man pays his family a lot of money.

JAQEN: But perhaps the gambler loses his bet and decides that he doesn&#8217;t have to pay after all. A destitute woman and her small child, what can they do to such a man if he keeps their money for himself? To whom can they turn for recourse?

Arya looks to see a man praying on the floor.

So it is assumed that the unseen captain's surviving wife came or prayed to the Faceless Man for help.

The captain that is *actually* shown in the scene, goes to the thin man to buy another insurance policy for his next upcoming trip. The money on the table is the insurance premium, but the thin man refuses to sell him a new insurance policy because after looking at the documents of the next planned trip Thin Man determined that it was too risky despite the ship captain's safe track record up to this point.
 
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So the whitewalker's can be negotiated with?

Negotiation seems unlikely, more likely Craster figured out/was told that sacrifice offering lets him live for a while. Now I'm completely speculating but it seems to me that a newborn is a more valuable target to WW's.

There appear to be ranks and hierarchy among them, so offering sacrifice to be left alone could work, negotiating is doubtful.

The other VS sword I know off the top of my head is Oathkeeper, owned first by Jaime and then given to Brienne.
That was Ned Stark's sword but Tywin "refurbished" it into 2 blades, one for Joffrey aka Widow's Wail, and Oathkeeper for Jaime.
 
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Jaepheth

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That's John Snow's sword named Longclaw which is made out of Valyrian Steel and also has the ability to defeat White Walkers. The knowledge / ability to make new Valyrian Steel has been lost so only a finite number of VS swords are available in the world now. The other VS sword I know off the top of my head is Oathkeeper, owned first by Jaime and then given to Brienne.

I think it was Tywin's discussion with Jamie where it was implied that each great house had a Valyrian blade, but that the Lannisters' had been lost or they didn't have one for whatever reason. That envy was one of the driving forces behind reforging Ice into two smaller swords to become Lannister heirlooms.

...Well, I say forged, but Valyrian steel is clearly cast (when being reshaped at least)... which is odd.
 
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JEDI

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Jon tried to get it but a white walker pulled him away. The fight spilled outside and he was unable to go back. A fellow crow told him to forget the dragon glass because they were dead if they stayed any longer.

what happened to the guy holding the bag of dragon glass?
he was inside the building with the giant when they got attacked.

that black crow seems to be a reoccurring character?
 

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what happened to the guy holding the bag of dragon glass?
he was inside the building with the giant when they got attacked.

that black crow seems to be a reoccurring character?
He escaped and boarded the boat with John. He was the one who picked up John as he was outside coughing up blood, right after he killed that White Walker.

Guy probably dropped the bag of dragon glass when they were getting attacked inside the building.
 

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Do we assume the giant still has a piece of dragon glass?

Also I saw a zombie fighting with an arrow right in its head, so I don't think it's Walking Dead rules.

KT
 

nageov3t

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I think it was Tywin's discussion with Jamie where it was implied that each great house had a Valyrian blade, but that the Lannisters' had been lost or they didn't have one for whatever reason. That envy was one of the driving forces behind reforging Ice into two smaller swords to become Lannister heirlooms.

...Well, I say forged, but Valyrian steel is clearly cast (when being reshaped at least)... which is odd.

yeah, the Lannisters lost their Valyrian steel blade generations ago, when one of them took it on an expedition to explore the ruins of Valyria and never returned.

I guess according to the rules of the world, creating Valyrian steel requires dragon fire, but highly skilled blacksmiths are capable of reshaping existing steel.
 

TheAdvocate

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what happened to the guy holding the bag of dragon glass?
he was inside the building with the giant when they got attacked.

that black crow seems to be a reoccurring character?

Eddison Tollett aka Dolorous Edd. He was on the boat with Jon.

The TV Edd is nowhere near as developed as the books. If you prefer your humor in the form of biting sarcasm/cynicism and pessimism, Edd's your man. He's hilarious, though his humor is very dark. And at this point in the show, besides Sam, he's pretty much the only friend Jon has left in the NW.

Here's a quote from Edd, it doesn't give anything at all away, but folks are so picky about "spoilers" - he's just talking about a former NW brother:

Eddison: I never win anything. The gods always smiled on Watt, though. When the wildlings knocked him off the Bridge of Skulls, somehow he landed in a nice deep pool of water. How lucky was that, missing all those rocks?
Grenn: Was it a long fall? Did landing in the pool of water save his life?
Eddison: No. He was dead already, from that axe in his head. Still, it was pretty lucky, missing the rocks.
 

TheAdvocate

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The wights can be destroyed with normal weapons, but you pretty much have to hack them to bits. That's why the NW historically used fire, and it explains the very old custom of burning the dead.

The White Walkers though can not be harmed by normal weapons, and in fact, usually freeze/shatter them, as happened in that episode. I have to admit, I have forgotten if the books ever said anything about Valyrian steel being proven against them, so that was a lot of fun to see.

In case anyone's interested, you can read about Old Valyria (aka Valyrian Freehold) online without spoiling anything in the show. It was the height of society in the world (much of what they knew has been lost), and its where Dany's family (Targaryeans) originated. They were a powerful house in that society. The Valyrians were the original dragon tamers / Dragon Lords.

At its apex Valyria was the greatest city in the known world, the center of civilization. Within its shining walls, twoscore rival houses vied for power and glory in court and council, rising and falling in an endless, subtle, oft-savage struggle for dominance

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyria (no spoilers)

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyrian_Freehold

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Before the events of the show, Tywin Lannister's brother Gerion left for Valyria to try to recover their lost Valyrian sword ("brightroar")... He's never been seen again.
 
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Murloc

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Do we assume the giant still has a piece of dragon glass?

Also I saw a zombie fighting with an arrow right in its head, so I don't think it's Walking Dead rules.

KT
it was a skeleton IIRC, not a zombie.
Skeletons don't have the blue eyes either.
I guess they are two different things, and skeletons have to be smashed enough to die.

Also maybe the arrow didn't reach the part of the brain attached to the spine, which is the only one that matters in zombies right?
 

nageov3t

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The wights can be destroyed with normal weapons, but you pretty much have to hack them to bits. That's why the NW historically used fire, and it explains the very old custom of burning the dead.

The White Walkers though can not be harmed by normal weapons, and in fact, usually freeze/shatter them, as happened in that episode. I have to admit, I have forgotten if the books ever said anything about Valyrian steel being proven against them, so that was a lot of fun to see.

iirc, the books mention that "Dragonsteel" is effective against the White Walkers, and Samwell theorizes that Dragonsteel is another name for Valyrian steel (since it's forged using the fire from a dragon's breath), but was never actually tested or shown definitively in the books.
 

Phoenix86

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Do we assume the giant still has a piece of dragon glass?

Also I saw a zombie fighting with an arrow right in its head, so I don't think it's Walking Dead rules.

KT

It appears to follow more D&D style, piercing works but isn't as effective. Slashing is moderately effective, some appeared to go down with a good single hit, although the first one we saw attack Jon and Mormont took a sword to the chest fine, some appeared to go down with a single hit last night. Conservation of ninjutsu apparently. Blunt/fire is super effective.

Also, there seem to be two types of grunt undead, wights (zombies) and skeletons. I generally took skeletons as just greater forms of decay on a wight, but they might actually be different.
 

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it was a skeleton IIRC, not a zombie.
Skeletons don't have the blue eyes either.
I guess they are two different things, and skeletons have to be smashed enough to die.

Also maybe the arrow didn't reach the part of the brain attached to the spine, which is the only one that matters in zombies right?

Yeah, a wight or whatever. The white walkers are different; maybe they can only make those guys from baby sacrifices? You could be right about that brain thing, it just looked like they showed that specifically to indicate it was not a way to kill them.

KT
 

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It appears to follow more D&D style, piercing works but isn't as effective. Slashing is moderately effective, some appeared to go down with a good single hit, although the first one we saw attack Jon and Mormont took a sword to the chest fine, some appeared to go down with a single hit last night. Conservation of ninjutsu apparently. Blunt/fire is super effective.

Also, there seem to be two types of grunt undead, wights (zombies) and skeletons. I generally took skeletons as just greater forms of decay on a wight, but they might actually be different.

Hmm, good points. Thanks.

KT