Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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pontifex

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Yeah, just inferring from what they showed last night--the corpses only rose after the white dude did some magicky thing with his arms.

With the baby in the previous season, I think we saw 12 of those guys around the altar, and the one--the same crowned dude that made the zombies in this episode--performing the actual ritual?

So putting some things together, perhaps they need a full council of whites--so 12--to create a new white one, and perhaps only one of them has the full power to make a zombie army, or even make a new white one? But it looks like snow and ice was all it took at the beginning of that siege, but we didn't really see what happened. Could be that they created the ice storm, killed all outside the gate, and performed magic zombie army ritual off camera.

I think there were a lot of clues in place as to how they work, how they can be defeated, but nothing is certain.

so how did that 1 guy come back to life at the wall if it requires a white walker to ressurrect them? seemed like he just came back to life because he died. don't recall how he was killed, if it was by a white walker or one of the wights? if a wight kills you do you automatically come back as one or does a white walker have to use that power to resurrect you? can they resurrect people not killed by the wights or walkers?
 

Anubis

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so how did that 1 guy come back to life at the wall if it requires a white walker to ressurrect them? seemed like he just came back to life because he died. don't recall how he was killed, if it was by a white walker or one of the wights? if a wight kills you do you automatically come back as one or does a white walker have to use that power to resurrect you? can they resurrect people not killed by the wights or walkers?

could be they did something on purpose to make him come back at a delayed time. knowing the brothers of the watch would take him inside
 

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could be they did something on purpose to make him come back at a delayed time. knowing the brothers of the watch would take him inside

Or he sped up the process just to show them they cannot win.
 

local

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I feel like there were at least 2 times during the fight sequence where the big White Walker guy could have very easily killed Jon Snow but didn't... gotta wonder if that's actually purposeful or (more likely, imho) just bad fight choreography.

Or it shows a fight where one combatant is utterly unconcerned that he will lose but still isn't going to just stand there and take a punch. I had no problem with that fight unlike the one shown earlier in the season at a much warmer location.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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I think 5K is still a good estimate. When the fog rolled in a bunch of people ran in, and most in the staging area jumped on the boats when the fighting started. The guys that ran in when they shut the gate seemed to stay in that area to fight. The scene doesnt really show the scale all that well. There definitely werent 5K people in the staging area, but the last shot of the shore with raised walkers inside the gated area looked like maybe a couple thousand at least, and much more outside of it. I would think most of the walkers in that area were already walkers when the fighting started.

This does bring up some another points..even if they were able to get twice as many people, it doesnt seem like they would have had the ship capacity to take them all. And how is the giant going to get on a ship? Seems like he would tip it over when tries to get in.

I think the 5k estimate was the number they had already moved to the ships.

Also, yeah, is the giant walking all the way to Eastwatch-by-the-Sea?
 

zinfamous

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so how did that 1 guy come back to life at the wall if it requires a white walker to ressurrect them? seemed like he just came back to life because he died. don't recall how he was killed, if it was by a white walker or one of the wights? if a wight kills you do you automatically come back as one or does a white walker have to use that power to resurrect you? can they resurrect people not killed by the wights or walkers?

Yeah, I was trying to put that together myself.

Basically, I have no idea.
 

local

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I just though of something. I hope the Night's Watch doesn't expect their steel gate to hold up for long with the White Walkers steel destroying weapons poking at it.
 

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so how did that 1 guy come back to life at the wall if it requires a white walker to ressurrect them? seemed like he just came back to life because he died. don't recall how he was killed, if it was by a white walker or one of the wights? if a wight kills you do you automatically come back as one or does a white walker have to use that power to resurrect you? can they resurrect people not killed by the wights or walkers?

Maybe he was already a wight and was just lying in wait.
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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I just though of something. I hope the Night's Watch doesn't expect their steel gate to hold up for long with the White Walkers steel destroying weapons poking at it.

The wall (including the gate) is reinforced with extra stuff that makes it harder, but not impossible, for the White Walkers to get past (which is why they need actual Night's Watch men to fight).
 

Newbian

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I just though of something. I hope the Night's Watch doesn't expect their steel gate to hold up for long with the White Walkers steel destroying weapons poking at it.

They can just cave in the tunnel if needed.
 

Craig234

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Question. Is the information in the Game of Thrones Wiki cool to mention here or are things in there not specifically mentioned in the show verboten?

I'd lean toward sticking to the show, especially since as far as I know the wiki might use info from the books.
 

Craig234

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I think people might be trying to hold the logic of the show to a standard that it won't hold up to. A large number of people outside the gate were almost instantly killed, there were no sounds of any combat - but somehow whatever that was was stopped by a wooden fence, and the white guys didn't do it again once they had broken through the fence, and the white guy with Jon Snow couldn't do it to him.

Why? Because it 'looks good' for the show to do it that way.

Why was the wildling with Jon Snow killed by the white guy needed? To show how strong the white guy was in combat and make Jon Snow look good and more in danger.

It was nice how in all that chaos with all those people overfilling the boats, that when Jon Snow ran, there was one last empty boat sitting waiting for him.

They had him both be the hero going back to battle, and getting to escape.

When he ordered the knight's watch to go to battle, who was he talking to? I thought he'd gone alone on the trip.
 

Craig234

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Speaking of that, why was that white walker there in the first place instead of observing from high above like the others? Was he after the dragon glass?

To give Jon Snow a good fight scene.

How much sense did it make that arrows kill the undead?
 

Murloc

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I've seen a wiki that is only about the show, without anything from the books.

I think people might be trying to hold the logic of the show to a standard that it won't hold up to. A large number of people outside the gate were almost instantly killed, there were no sounds of any combat - but somehow whatever that was was stopped by a wooden fence, and the white guys didn't do it again once they had broken through the fence, and the white guy with Jon Snow couldn't do it to him.

Why? Because it 'looks good' for the show to do it that way.

Why was the wildling with Jon Snow killed by the white guy needed? To show how strong the white guy was in combat and make Jon Snow look good and more in danger.

It was nice how in all that chaos with all those people overfilling the boats, that when Jon Snow ran, there was one last empty boat sitting waiting for him.

They had him both be the hero going back to battle, and getting to escape.

When he ordered the knight's watch to go to battle, who was he talking to? I thought he'd gone alone on the trip.
1. he specifically asked one crowd to come back and wait for him
2. he was talking to the other crows you see when they arrive, there are about 10 of them.
3. the snowstorm accompanies the white walkers and the undead, the weather changes inside the walls as well, if there's the same weather already you can't create a new cold front.
Also maybe that sandstorm-like snow storm was just snow raised by the undead running, who then just killed everybody instantly since nobody was able to see anything.
Or maybe there's no explanation like you said and the scene just looks good. But if it was that easy to do, the white walkers would have already taken over the world in the previous winters.

A really meaningless thing is that ONE white walker is down there.

The fact that arrows kill the undead makes sense if you see the walking dead. But in this case there are skeletons too, I guess they just replace the spine and brain with magic juice?

but they aren't just steel, they are COLD ROLLED STEEL... THREE INCHES THICK

/drama
let's hope they don't use jet fuel.
 
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local

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To give Jon Snow a good fight scene.

How much sense did it make that arrows kill the undead?

I was thinking the same thing, then I saw the guy with the arrow in his head come through the wall and attack. The arrows did not kill them only decapitation seems to work.
 

biostud

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I was thinking the same thing, then I saw the guy with the arrow in his head come through the wall and attack. The arrows did not kill them only decapitation seems to work.

Or stomped flat by a giant.
 

Craig234

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Yes, there were skeletons, removing the 'zombie logic' - it appeared to show arrows killing them. The later skeleton attacking with an arrow through his head, maybe that arrows is what had killed him and then he was undead, who knows. It seemed pretty inconsistent.

Again, it seemed clear that what killed all the people outside the gate in a couple seconds was not combat - but then they couldn't do it again?
 
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for those wondering, the wall was built with magic by bran the builder. the land south of the wall is known as the gift, to support the night's watch. bran also built winterfell (worthless spoiler there)
 

local

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Yes, there were skeletons, removing the 'zombie logic' - it appeared to show arrows killing them. The later skeleton attacking with an arrow through his head, maybe that arrows is what had killed him and then he was undead, who knows. It seemed pretty inconsistent.

Again, it seemed clear that what killed all the people outside the gate in a couple seconds was not combat - but then they couldn't do it again?

Maybe a shaman cast a spell on the area inside the wall warding off evil. Maybe walls have an effect on their magic. Like the old vampires cannot enter a house unless invited thing. Either way that would have been boring. The battle was great. Kickass battle > boring doom mist.
 

local

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for those wondering, the wall was built with magic by bran the builder. the land south of the wall is known as the gift, to support the night's watch. bran also built winterfell (worthless spoiler there)

Also Bran said, "There must always be a Stark in Winterfell."

Ned said it too so it was in the show.