Anubis
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Rakehellion
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Heh, in those days the only way a kid could come across porn is if he found an old playboy magazine in an alley, and you'd guard it like it was the lost ark. Then some big kids come and take it!
The Boston Dangler
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The Boston Dangler
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JEDI
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oh wow.. she's the same girl from season 4 having a 3some w/theon during his torture.
she has tightened up her body perfectly!
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oh.. the other girl in the 3some was Violet.
she was written off because she got preggers in real life.
Miranda even mentioned it when giving sansa a bath:
Ramsey got tired of Violet after she got pregnant and killed her.
cant believe GoT producers made a jab about that
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poofyhairguy
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Yay, GOT has gone mainstream!
Think about it fellow nerds, would you have EVER imagined as a kid that a show based on what is basically D&D fanfiction would have such a high profile that a Senator would boycott it? Or heck that even a show with as much complication as GOT (no matter the setting) would turn into a ratings powerhouse? We have come a long way.
I LOVED the last episode, mostly because Daenery wasn't in it. I appreciate that her plotline needs to exist to keep all those mega ratings coming, but it was nice to not have to pretend to care if Grey Worm gets his girl or not.
GasX
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zinfamous
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didn't Margaery get arrested at the end of the last episode for lying in Loras's trial?
how old do you have to be? Sophie Turner is 19...if anything her character is too young for adult scenes, it was just two seasons ago where she was supposedly 14 when marrying Tyrion, so Sansa is maybe 15 or 16 by now?
it was rape because she didn't want the sex, its as simple as that, but its also as simple as she accepted the potential rape because she accepted the marriage arrangement because it was a means to an end.
Think of it this way. Someone points a gun at you and demands sex with the alternative being shot to death. Just because you consent to the sex vs. being shot to death doesn't mean the sex isn't rape; you don't want either option but you want one option less than the other, that's what Sansa is going through right now.
That being said, the outrage shouldn't be here. Sansa has clearly done a lot of growing over the past couple of seasons, and she's now a big girl who knows what she's getting herself into; she chose her path knowing full well what hardships were there (i.e. sexual assault), and has even been provided with more than one out (notably Brienne), outs that she has turned down thus far.
Dr. Zaus
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A woman doesn't want to have sex but chooses to anyway and therefore it's rape? There's no intent on the part of the man needed, she just gets to decide?
Bullshit
So some hot bitch marries an old dude for his money and he's raping her?
Bullshit
All of life is coercive, there's power in everything, but her life wasn't being threatened right then. She was using him as a means to power in the same way he was using her for sex; hell he's more coerced in the situation than she is: he's actually got someone he prefers!
Again, it's not sexual assault if you agree to it and never object to it: even if you don't like it.
Just like it's not slavery when you agree to an un-paid internship; even if you don't like it and you're being 'coerced' into it because you want what doing the un-desireable thing provides.
wabbitslayer
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Don't understand all the "outrage" at the whole wedding-night rape scene. Women have been getting placed into arranged marriages with men they didn't know or maybe just met their wedding day for centuries, and then their new husbands had sex with them on their wedding night regardless of whether the girl/woman desired it or not.
Not saying it's right in the least, but the scene (except for the absurd inclusion of Reek/Theon) seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of what would have happened in "real life" in such an environment.
Not saying it's right in the least, but the scene (except for the absurd inclusion of Reek/Theon) seems to be a pretty accurate depiction of what would have happened in "real life" in such an environment.
Dr. Zaus
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Even then a proper bedding ceremony in westeros involves witnesses: that reek was chosen isn't too far into the absurd.
Now, for anyone calling it rape: did Sansa not consent? Did she fight or even ask not to have sex? From the guy's perspective, not the omniscient viewer, how the hell is it rape?
purbeast0
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it's not rape. people (including many in this thread) are just fucking retarded and stupid and want to cry/whine about anything and everything.
"WAH WAH WAH IM OFFENDED IM GOING TO GO BLOG ABOUT IT"
How old the actress is means very little. They have to be portraying 16+ year olds (IIRC, that is the age) for the show to be considered legal in some areas (UK?). That was one of the driving reasons they aged up everyone. They couldn't have Dany be nude and raped by Drogo as a 13 year old.
JEDI
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so that recent movie with Dakoda whatshername as a 10yr kid being graphically (but no nudity) raped couldn't be shown in UK?
Anubis
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Anubis
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Assuming we're talking about legal definitions of rape today, which of course vary. But generally don't limit consent to an absence of struggling or even not verbally expressing a desire to stop. This can lead to cases where it's ambiguous and debatable, but in this case it seems pretty obvious that Ramsay was forcing Sansa and that she wasn't reciprocating and didn't want him to do what he was doing. It also seems obvious - from Sansa's point of view, not just the viewer's - that struggling or contesting would be putting herself in much more risk of harm.
The scene didn't really show that much so it's hard to get a complete picture. We're partially relying on Theon's reaction to be a credible depiction of wrong doing, where he wouldn't be this upset if he didn't feel like Sansa was being forced against her will. He's maybe not especially reliable, but that's the best we have right now.
Like I said earlier though, while I consider it to be rape by typical legal standards of today I think that the way a lot of people are reacting is much more belittling to the character than they claim the show's writers are. I also think this doesn't come anywhere close to the worst thing Ramsay has done (even putting aside what he did to Theon, there was the whole incident where he hunted and killed a former lover)
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CZroe
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She did more to consent than not struggle or express a desire to stop. Did you miss that she was already taking her clothes off for him?! Why do you think she was taking her clothes off? The same reason she was taking them off for Tyrion! It was expected of her as part of consummation to make the wedding official. Expected != forced because the marriage was not forced. She consented when she agreed to marry him with the understanding that the marriage must be consummated on the wedding night. Understand?
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Her decision to have sex with Ramsay, while her own, could be argued to have been made under reasonable duress. What is the outcome if she refuses? It won't be a "oh, I thought we were going to make this official! Maybe tomorrow, dear?" At what point is the threat of violence, implied or stated, able to override any consent given by the other party?
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