Game of Thrones - TV Series (NO BOOK SPOILERS)

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Phoenix86

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There has been plenty of speculation from "non-bookreaders" regarding certain events that only someone that has read the books would have knowledge of. Therefore us book readers can only conclude that some "non-bookreaders" are liars.:colbert:
Yeah, from the people in this thread spoiling the show.
 

Ichinisan

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The last few days of following this thread, as a book reader, have been laughable with everyone up in arms over spoilers.

There has been plenty of speculation from "non-bookreaders" regarding certain events that only someone that has read the books would have knowledge of. Therefore us book readers can only conclude that some "non-bookreaders" are liars.:colbert:

Regardless, I only come in here to get perspective from other fans of the show. I am die hard fan that cannot get enough of this show. I actually have re-watched the series multiple times and read the books twice.
Please point out those posts when you see them!!!!
Point them out PRIVATELY by reporting them!
 

momeNt

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The last few days of following this thread, as a book reader, have been laughable with everyone up in arms over spoilers.

There has been plenty of speculation from "non-bookreaders" regarding certain events that only someone that has read the books would have knowledge of. Therefore us book readers can only conclude that some "non-bookreaders" are liars.:colbert:

Regardless, I only come in here to get perspective from other fans of the show. I am die hard fan that cannot get enough of this show. I actually have re-watched the series multiple times and read the books twice.
This is what I should have said in my earlier post. Apologies to those I harmed and my condolences go out to you and your families.
 

poofyhairguy

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Point them out PRIVATELY by reporting them!
And tell us too, so we can put those posters on our ignore lists.

As long as you don't point out what they spoiled and just say "______ book spoiled" then we have a framework for blocking spoilers without revealing them.
 

Phoenix86

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Do we even know the gym was for carrying the poison and the cup itself was poisoned? What if it was the pie that was poisoned, and since the king was going to be the first to eat it, nobody else would be killed. Margaery was the person who fed the king the pie, and then he died. Perhaps, she stole the jewel to implement Sansa in the murder (placing it in the pie or something) to keep the heat off the Tyrells, if it was even them. Tyrion just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and is getting blamed for it right now though, so that framing of Sansa isn't necessary.
That kind of my point, they intentionally put in many possibilities, some of which are there just to keep you guessing.

I was just going off on the gem because it seems to be a popular theory. If you go the pie route as the poison it opens the door to an unknown baker or Margaery, which is possible but less likely imo. They spent a lot of time on the necklace. There were at least 3 brief scenes that showed the missing gem, if you knew to look for it.
 

momeNt

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And tell us too, so we can put those posters on our ignore lists.

As long as you don't point out what they spoiled and just say "______ book spoiled" then we have a framework for blocking spoilers without revealing them.
"Speculation" isn't a spoiler until someone says it is though. So they technically have to be dealt with privately, and even then, if you see "speculation" in a post, that is later removed, this means it is a spoiler. So "speculation" can't actually be dealt with other than people telling the person "speculating" to stop doing it.
 

poofyhairguy

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"Speculation" isn't a spoiler until someone says it is though. So they technically have to be dealt with privately, and even then, if you see "speculation" in a post, that is later removed, this means it is a spoiler. So "speculation" can't actually be dealt with other than people telling the person "speculating" to stop doing it.
Why does it have to be dealt with privately only?

Just pointing it out and putting them on the block list doesn't harm the poster if they are just a good guesser. But if they are a spoiler, I would rather block them than take the chance.
 

momeNt

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Why does it have to be dealt with privately only?

Just pointing it out and putting them on the block list doesn't harm the poster if they are just a good guesser. But if they are a spoiler, I would rather block them than take the chance.
So are you saying you personally would block speculators, regardless of if it's an honest speculation or the person pretending to have not read the books?

By privately I meant to avoid calling them out in the thread (like what I did) because then that unveils the pretend speculation and lets people know what actually is going on.

FWIW: I don't like watching movies or TV shows with people who speculate, because if they catch on to something before me, that takes away my "aha!" moment. I don't see where the fun is in speculating about things like that.
 

purbeast0

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And I guess I didn't spell that out, hoping common sense would prevail, but spoiler tags are to be used for any recent episodes
lol ... well that right there was your problem.

the "book readers" lack a lot of common sense.

this basic concept is extremely hard for them to grasp. but i'm glad you will be taking the trash out of the thread from now on.
 

purbeast0

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So are you saying you personally would block speculators, regardless of if it's an honest speculation or the person pretending to have not read the books?

By privately I meant to avoid calling them out in the thread (like what I did) because then that unveils the pretend speculation and lets people know what actually is going on.

FWIW: I don't like watching movies or TV shows with people who speculate, because if they catch on to something before me, that takes away my "aha!" moment. I don't see where the fun is in speculating about things like that.
HE IS SAYING THAT IF SOMEONE WHO HASN'T READ THE BOOK YET MAKES A SPECULATION THAT IS TRUE IN THE BOOK, THEN DO NOT SPOIL IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE BY TELLING US THAT HE IS CORRECT IN HIS SPECULATION BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW THAT IT IS CORRECT, NOT EVEN THE PERSON WHO SAID IT.

holy shit for people who read a lot, some of you are dumber than dumb.
 

momeNt

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HE IS SAYING THAT IF SOMEONE WHO HASN'T READ THE BOOK YET MAKES A SPECULATION THAT IS TRUE IN THE BOOK, THEN DO NOT SPOIL IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE BY TELLING US THAT HE IS CORRECT IN HIS SPECULATION BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW THAT IT IS CORRECT, NOT EVEN THE PERSON WHO SAID IT.

holy shit for people who read a lot, some of you are dumber than dumb.
I'm not sure that is what he is saying to be perfectly honest.
 

nageov3t

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if you've read the books, don't "speculate" or draw attention to certain things on the show.

if someone else makes a speculation, book-readers should avoid commenting on it.

seems simple enough.
 

Fingolfin269

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You guys really need a thread moderator who can approve posts in these type of discussions. Not sure that function exists though.

I've read the books. Well, all but about 2/3 of the last one (been stuck there for a long long time). And this is one reason I avoid posting in this thread as it's hard for me to remember what has and what hasn't happened. I'd rather be cautious and say nothing than let something slip.
 

blankslate

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That kind of my point, they intentionally put in many possibilities, some of which are there just to keep you guessing. I was just going off on the gem because it seems to be a popular theory. If you go the pie route as the poison it opens the door to an unknown baker or Margaery, which is possible but less likely imo. They spent a lot of time on the necklace.

There were at least 3 brief scenes that showed the missing gem, if you knew to look for it.
The producers might be doing their own thing with the story.

They have stated in interviews that they do know the main plot points from the author of the source material but they aren't obligated to follow it exactly since they are two different mediums and things that work well in one might not work so well in the other.

They have made very cool changes in details while still hewing to what is out already, as time goes on I expect the changes to increase... which isn't concerning to me at all since the producers really are fans bringing the material to a new audience and presenting it in a new way to other not so new fans.

One thing I did like was Ned Stark (in episode 9 of season 1) catching sight of Arya kneeling under the statue of Baelor and then saying the statue's name to Night's Watch "recruitment officer" Yoren.
Yoren then stops Arya from committing suicide trying to stop the execution. It's really cool because one of the last things Ned Stark looks for before Ice comes down is Arya, but she's no longer near the statue.

"Speculation" isn't a spoiler until someone says it is though. So they technically have to be dealt with privately, and even then, if you see "speculation" in a post, that is later removed, this means it is a spoiler. So "speculation" can't actually be dealt with other than people telling the person "speculating" to stop doing it.
I suspect that this will be a moot point soon enough as the HBO version is moving along at a good pace.


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KeithTalent

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if you've read the books, don't "speculate" or draw attention to certain things on the show.

if someone else makes a speculation, book-readers should avoid commenting on it.

seems simple enough.
This. I do not understand why it is so hard for people to understand. Post about the show, speculate about the show, but posting anything the show watchers would not know from just watching the show is considered a spoiler.

If people want to be spoiled they can go to the book thread or PM with one of the book readers around here.

KT
 

BoomerD

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I don't know about the gem...or its possibility in the glorious death of Jofferey the Ass.

When I watched the episode, I saw Jofferey cut into the "pie" with his sword...and the birds flew out...but they showed a shot of the inside of the pie...and it looked dark and bloody. (killed a bird inside?) When he died, my first thought was that the pie had been poisoned...not the wine. (which makes good sense now)
 

techs

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Here's my Tywin was involved reasons:

1: He wanted Jamie to leave the job as the Kings protector.

2: Tywins punishment of Jamie was to kill the King under his presence.

3: Tywin did not act to restrain Joffrey either during the gift presentations nor the wedding party. I believe he wanted people to see Joffrey for what he was.

4: Tywin and Oleanna seemed to be up to something in their interactions.

5: Without Joffrey the title would fall to the next in line,(?) who I believe is another son of Cersie. So Cersie would be regent and the King knows Cersie is cunning and not a psycho like Joffrey was.
 

Phoenix86

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Here's my Tywin was involved reasons:

1: He wanted Jamie to leave the job as the Kings protector.

2: Tywins punishment of Jamie was to kill the King under his presence.

3: Tywin did not act to restrain Joffrey either during the gift presentations nor the wedding party. I believe he wanted people to see Joffrey for what he was.

4: Tywin and Oleanna seemed to be up to something in their interactions.

5: Without Joffrey the title would fall to the next in line,(?) who I believe is another son of Cersie. So Cersie would be regent and the King knows Cersie is cunning and not a psycho like Joffrey was.
Interesting, hadn't really considered Tywin, but I should have. Last season he promised to Cersie he would get him under control... Also, Tywin isn't technically king. ;)
 

cronos

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And Cersei listens to him, which is the most important.

Tywin kind of makes sense. I don't really see how he got Lady Olenna to get involved, though. The only way this would work is if they planned to frame Tyrion or Sansa (or both) and that would mean the old lady is much more evil than I thought. I guess I'm in denial and don't want her to be *that* evil.
 

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