Galt Praises The French Intelligence Agency

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French seek man from canceled flight

PARIS, France (CNN) -- French authorities said Wednesday they are looking for a man, believed to be an Afghan, who failed to show for an Air France flight to the United States that was canceled over security concerns.

The French Interior Ministry National Police said the man was booked on Air France Flight 68 from Paris to Los Angeles, California, on December 24, one of six Air France flights between the two cities canceled on December 24 and 25.

Three days before the man's flight was canceled, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge announced he was raising the nation's terror alert level to "high" -- or Code Orange. He warned of increased threat-related intelligence -- some of it indicating near-term strikes that might rival or exceed the attacks of September 11, 2001. "Al Qaeda continues to consider using aircraft as a weapon," Ridge said.

The man authorities are seeking, Abdul Hay, has the same name as an Afghan who escaped U.S. custody in Khandahar, Afghanistan, the French intelligence sources said. Abdul Hay was known to be close to former Taliban chief of intelligence Mullah Mohammed Abdul Haq, the sources said.

French intelligence sources also said U.S. officials told them Abdul Hay may have access to a concealed explosive device. There was no confirmation of this from U.S. officials.

French and U.S. authorities do not know whether the Abdul Hay who booked a seat on the Air France flight is the same man.

French Justice Minister Dominique Perben, in a radio interview Wednesday with Paris-based Radio Monte Carlo, said, "I confirm that we are looking for someone, but I can't say more. What's important when someone doesn't take a plane is to know why he didn't take it."

French intelligence sources told CNN that French intelligence officials flew to Washington for a meeting with CIA and FBI officials on January 3. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice took part in the meeting as well, the French intelligence sources said.

French and U.S. officials looked at the passenger lists from all six canceled Air France flights between Paris and Los Angeles and determined that there were between two and four names that they were concerned about. All have been eliminated as concerns except for Abdul Hay, according to French intelligence sources.

French officials said a second man, a pilot from Tunisia who was listed as a passenger, also did not show up for Air France Flight 68. But French intelligence officials said he is no longer a concern.

Flight 68 was canceled after the United States received intelligence saying it was a possible terrorist target.

On Tuesday, Delta Airlines Flight 43, from Paris to the airport that serves Cincinnati, Ohio, landed without incident after a suspicious passenger wasn't allowed to board the aircraft in France.

The passenger was a woman wearing a heated jacket containing wiring that triggered security concerns, U.S. government sources said.

Sources said the woman was a 22-year-old Saudi electrical engineer carrying a Jordanian passport. Her nationality, passport and occupation, along with the wires in her jacket, all were factors that raised concerns.

"Nothing suspicious was found," the spokesman said. "She took the next flight to Cincinnati." (Full story)

Meanwhile, the level of threat information and intelligence from so-called "chatter" has fallen off a bit, but remains at high levels, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

The officials said the difference in the information is that it is less specific. For example, there was specific intelligence regarding certain flight numbers and intelligence regarding a possible attack on New Years Eve. Now, the intelligence is more general in nature, according to officials.

Officials also said that the Code Orange threat level could be lowered to Code Yellow, or elevated, soon, although no decision has been made. Certain sectors, such as aviation, could be kept on a higher alert while the national threat level is lowered, the officials said.




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...glad they aren't asleep behind the proverbial wheel on this one. I am quite impressed that they are working with us and not against us.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
...glad they aren't asleep behind the proverbial wheel on this one. I am quite impressed that they are working with us and not against us.

:Q Holy . . . . . Did hell freeze over again? ;)
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
French seek man from canceled flight

PARIS, France (CNN) -- French authorities said Wednesday they are looking for a man, believed to be an Afghan, who failed to show for an Air France flight to the United States that was canceled over security concerns.

The French Interior Ministry National Police said the man was booked on Air France Flight 68 from Paris to Los Angeles, California, on December 24, one of six Air France flights between the two cities canceled on December 24 and 25.

Three days before the man's flight was canceled, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge announced he was raising the nation's terror alert level to "high" -- or Code Orange. He warned of increased threat-related intelligence -- some of it indicating near-term strikes that might rival or exceed the attacks of September 11, 2001. "Al Qaeda continues to consider using aircraft as a weapon," Ridge said.

The man authorities are seeking, Abdul Hay, has the same name as an Afghan who escaped U.S. custody in Khandahar, Afghanistan, the French intelligence sources said. Abdul Hay was known to be close to former Taliban chief of intelligence Mullah Mohammed Abdul Haq, the sources said.

French intelligence sources also said U.S. officials told them Abdul Hay may have access to a concealed explosive device. There was no confirmation of this from U.S. officials.

French and U.S. authorities do not know whether the Abdul Hay who booked a seat on the Air France flight is the same man.

French Justice Minister Dominique Perben, in a radio interview Wednesday with Paris-based Radio Monte Carlo, said, "I confirm that we are looking for someone, but I can't say more. What's important when someone doesn't take a plane is to know why he didn't take it."

French intelligence sources told CNN that French intelligence officials flew to Washington for a meeting with CIA and FBI officials on January 3. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice took part in the meeting as well, the French intelligence sources said.

French and U.S. officials looked at the passenger lists from all six canceled Air France flights between Paris and Los Angeles and determined that there were between two and four names that they were concerned about. All have been eliminated as concerns except for Abdul Hay, according to French intelligence sources.

French officials said a second man, a pilot from Tunisia who was listed as a passenger, also did not show up for Air France Flight 68. But French intelligence officials said he is no longer a concern.

Flight 68 was canceled after the United States received intelligence saying it was a possible terrorist target.

On Tuesday, Delta Airlines Flight 43, from Paris to the airport that serves Cincinnati, Ohio, landed without incident after a suspicious passenger wasn't allowed to board the aircraft in France.

The passenger was a woman wearing a heated jacket containing wiring that triggered security concerns, U.S. government sources said.

Sources said the woman was a 22-year-old Saudi electrical engineer carrying a Jordanian passport. Her nationality, passport and occupation, along with the wires in her jacket, all were factors that raised concerns.

"Nothing suspicious was found," the spokesman said. "She took the next flight to Cincinnati." (Full story)

Meanwhile, the level of threat information and intelligence from so-called "chatter" has fallen off a bit, but remains at high levels, U.S. officials said Tuesday.

The officials said the difference in the information is that it is less specific. For example, there was specific intelligence regarding certain flight numbers and intelligence regarding a possible attack on New Years Eve. Now, the intelligence is more general in nature, according to officials.

Officials also said that the Code Orange threat level could be lowered to Code Yellow, or elevated, soon, although no decision has been made. Certain sectors, such as aviation, could be kept on a higher alert while the national threat level is lowered, the officials said.

...glad they aren't asleep behind the proverbial wheel on this one. I am quite impressed that they are working with us and not against us.[/quote]


Do you have any proof that the French have been working against us in relation to Al Qaeda? Even Libya, Iran, and Syria have been helping us with intel and ummmmm...."interrogations" after 9/11.
 
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Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Do you have any proof that the French have been working against us in relation to Al Qaeda? Even Libya, Iran, and Syria have been helping us with intel and ummmmm...."interrogations" after 9/11.

I didn't use a past participle in my post, so go play in traffic.
 
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
...glad they aren't asleep behind the proverbial wheel on this one. I am quite impressed that they are working with us and not against us.

:Q Holy . . . . . Did hell freeze over again? ;)

I just call them as I see them, big guy.
 

kage69

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Even Libya, Iran, and Syria have been helping us with intel and ummmmm...."interrogations" after 9/11.

So did I miss Iran turning over captured al Qaeda? Libya I know has been helpful, and Syria has been a mixed bag. Iran seems too busy trying to make everyone remember how much they hate the country sending them food, water and medical supplies.
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tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: kage69
Even Libya, Iran, and Syria have been helping us with intel and ummmmm...."interrogations" after 9/11.

So did I miss Iran turning over captured al Qaeda? Libya I know has been helpful, and Syria has been a mixed bag. Iran seems too busy trying to make everyone remember how much they hate the country sending them food, water and medical supplies.
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Iran has captured one of Bin Ladne sons and possibly Al Qaedas #2 Al Zahwri although that isn't verified yet. They also have around 40 other low and high level Al Qaeda members in custody. These people fled across the border to Iran after the overthrow of the Taliban. This was in retrospect a serious mistake as the Iranians were fierce opponents of the Taliban having almost gone to war with them over border incidents, drug smuggling, and infiltration. Al Qaeda was allied with the Taliban and not on Tehrans list of people to help unlike say Hezbollah.

The question is what they are going to do with them. Colin Powell earlier this year commented on these captures, it is the disposition of the prisoners that is the question. The Iranians would prefer to turn them over to Saudi Arabia and other countries of origin or trie them in Iran for crimes committed there. The US has stated that by not turning them over to us that means Iran is harboring and supporting Al Qaeda. That is a stretch. I am sure thier are some back room negotations going on as to what to do with those prisoners, and rumor has it that the Iranians are passing information from them to the US albeit indirectly through the British or some other European nation that has relations with them. Remember George Bush did put them on the Axis of Evil which may make them somewhat disinclined to publicly cooperate with us. Thier is also some question regarding the murky relationship between Iranian intelligence (who have these men), the elected government, and the Supreme Council for the Revolution who hold the real power in Iran. No one knows the exact dynamics of what is going on.

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
...glad they aren't asleep behind the proverbial wheel on this one. I am quite impressed that they are working with us and not against us.

:Q Holy . . . . . Did hell freeze over again? ;)

I just call them as I see them, big guy.

I bet that means you're deeply interested in what it means to see, eh, big eyes :D

 

Miramonti

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If I'm not mistaken the neocon arguement earlier was that the french were not working with us because they cancelled the flights and discouraged arrival of the passengers to the airport...as well as the entry to the US for detention I believe.

I agree with the Galt on this one - they are working with the US, mainly because they are a target too. Eiffel Tower ring a bell?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: jjsole
If I'm not mistaken the neocon arguement earlier was that the french were not working with us because they cancelled the flights and discouraged arrival of the passengers to the airport...as well as the entry to the US for detention I believe.

I agree with the Galt on this one - they are working with the US, mainly because they are a target too. Eiffel Tower ring a bell?

Neocon argument? Where the phuk did you get a "neocon" argument from? From whom?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: jjsole
If I'm not mistaken the neocon arguement earlier was that the french were not working with us because they cancelled the flights and discouraged arrival of the passengers to the airport...as well as the entry to the US for detention I believe.

I agree with the Galt on this one - they are working with the US, mainly because they are a target too. Eiffel Tower ring a bell?

Neocon argument? Where the phuk did you get a "neocon" argument from? From whom?
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: jjsole
If I'm not mistaken the neocon arguement earlier was that the french were not working with us because they cancelled the flights and discouraged arrival of the passengers to the airport...as well as the entry to the US for detention I believe.

I agree with the Galt on this one - they are working with the US, mainly because they are a target too. Eiffel Tower ring a bell?

Neocon argument? Where the phuk did you get a "neocon" argument from? From whom?


Can't speak for the 'neocon' part, but this is the phuking thread he is referring to...link
 

Miramonti

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: jjsole
If I'm not mistaken the neocon arguement earlier was that the french were not working with us because they cancelled the flights and discouraged arrival of the passengers to the airport...as well as the entry to the US for detention I believe.

I agree with the Galt on this one - they are working with the US, mainly because they are a target too. Eiffel Tower ring a bell?

Neocon argument? Where the phuk did you get a "neocon" argument from? From whom?


Can't speak for the 'neocon' part, but this is the phuking thread he is referring to...link



werd.

The official said there was some frustration within the Department of Homeland Security that the flights were canceled, thus allowing the word to get out about the security concerns.
 

Miramonti

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France denies bomber on the loose

FRENCH investigations have found no evidence that a ticket-holder who did not show up for a trans-Atlantic flight might be an Afghan-trained al-Qaeda sympathiser armed with a bomb, police said today.

"French intelligence services in constant touch with American partners conducted additional investigations that produced no new indications that could confirm the theory put forward by American media," said a police spokeswoman.

I smell the Bush fear-based propaganda machine at work.