Galaxy gtx 470 with non reference cooler review. Only 80c at load!

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SlowSpyder

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Is 80C that spectacular of a temp for a non-reference cooled part? What temps does an overclocked GTX470 run at with the reference cooler typically? I didn't think temps were all that crazy, but temps aren't heat. Either way it puts out a lot of heat.

They don't say what resolution they ran Furmark at, but I do see they used no AA. I just ran Furmark with my 5870 at 1680x1050 4xAA and my GPU temp was 57C at the 203 second mark (what they have in their screen shot). That's overclocked to 950MHz...
 
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SlowSpyder said:
Is 80C that spectacular of a temp for a non-reference cooled part? What temps does an overclocked GTX470 run at with the reference cooler typically? I didn't think temps were all that crazy, but temps aren't heat. Either way it puts out a lot of heat.

They don't say what resolution they ran Furmark at, but I do see they used no AA. I just ran Furmark with my 5870 at 1680x1050 4xAA and my GPU temp was 57C at the 203 second mark (what they have in their screen shot). That's overclocked to 950MHz...
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I thought 5870's/50's generally were in the mid 70's at load?
I think 80c is about 10c cooler then the reference part.
 
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happy medium said:
I thought 5870's/50's generally were in the mid 70's at load?
I think 80c is about 10c cooler then the reference part.
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I believe mid 70's to ~80C is about normal for a 5870. I have a Sapphire Vapor-X cooler, it is a non-reference design.

An 800MHz+ core is certainly nice for the GTX470, but the cooler just seems pretty average to me. But, it's hard to argue with the nice of an overclock. Then again, I might just be spoiled by my very low temps and whisper quiet cooler. :)

I do imagine an overvolted/overclocked Fermi part puts out a ton of heat regardless of the GPU temp though.
 
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SlowSpyder said:
I believe mid 70's to ~80C is about normal for a 5870. I have a Sapphire Vapor-X cooler, it is a non-reference design.

An 800MHz+ core is certainly nice for the GTX470, but the cooler just seems pretty average to me. But, it's hard to argue with the nice of an overclock. Then again, I might just be spoiled by my very low temps and whisper quiet cooler. :)

I do imagine an overvolted/overclocked Fermi part puts out a ton of heat regardless of the GPU temp though.
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quote from review:

"For the cooler we can say that we like that this cooler dumps its heat outside the system, this way not only will other components be prevented from warming up, the cooler will use fresh cold air for its cooling. "

Thats a plus ha?
 
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Is it just me or is the performance scaling unimpressive? I thought the Fermi parts scaled better than this. The GTX470 has what, 32 less shaders but is 100MHz faster, but still can't keep up with a GTX480 :confused: This isn't even considering the power this thing is consuming at those levels (or the heat it's putting out). The 5870 seems like a better deal IMO, although I'd still get a 5850 :awe:.
 
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MrK6 said:
Is it just me or is the performance scaling unimpressive? I thought the Fermi parts scaled better than this. The GTX470 has what, 32 less shaders but is 100MHz faster, but still can't keep up with a GTX480 :confused: This isn't even considering the power this thing is consuming at those levels (or the heat it's putting out). The 5870 seems like a better deal IMO, although I'd still get a 5850 :awe:.
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The overclocked gtx 470 scored 133 fps (106 fps stock) and the gtx 480 got 135 fps. 24% overclock and 24% more performance. That great overclocking scaling.

Remember the gtx 470 has less memory bandwidth also. 320 bit.

A overclocked gtx 470 at this speed will eat a 5850 overclocked for breakfast.:D

http://www.guru3d.com/article/kfa2-galaxy-geforce-gtx-470-review/20
 
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Copy and paste of my reply from the other thread, just make sure everyone is on the same page:

MrK6 said:
happy medium said:
See my last post in the other gtx 470 thread..

copy paste it for ya.

The overclocked gtx 470 scored 133 fps (106 fps stock) and the gtx 480 got 135 fps. 24% overclock and 24% more performance. That great overclocking scaling.
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Actually it's a 28.64% overclock and you're getting 25.4% return on performance (and that's counting the core only, mind you; the RAM overclock will synergize this, so it's probably even less). It's good scaling in this particular game, but I don't know if it's universal.

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A overclocked gtx 470 at this speed will eat a 5850 overclocked for breakfast.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/kfa2-galaxy-geforce-gtx-470-review/20
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Considering I've shown my 5850(s) at 900/1250 to be equal to or faster than a GTX480(s), and this GTX 470 still can't outperform a GTX480, no, it won't. Also remember that my 5850's can be pushed to 1025MHz+, how much more headroom do you think that GTX 470 has, if any?
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happy medium said:
A overclocked gtx 470 at this speed will eat a 5850 overclocked for breakfast.
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More like cook it's breakfast :p

In all fareness it would be possible....But in the end it would be dependant on the 2 cards tested only. Not all GTX 470's and HD 5850's are gonna be good overclockers. So I guess if you cherry picked one or the other card you could sway the testing in whichever direction you wanna go.

In this modern day of high end video cards heat is the biggest issue one has to deal with. Seems like both the Red and Green teams are having to downclock the chips to deal with heat.

Water is your best friend if you wanna push your chip to it's true potential. I know alot of people complain about the prices to get off the ground. I guess if you read all the guides and reviews it only adds to the confusion. Once you start to look at it you are drawn to the best of the best of each particular piece of the loop. Once your in this mode it's very easy to price the loop out of reach. You don't need the best of the best to get great results....Although you don't wanna go too cheap on the other hand also.

SlowSpyder said:
Is 80C that spectacular of a temp for a non-reference cooled part? What temps does an overclocked GTX470 run at with the reference cooler typically? I didn't think temps were all that crazy, but temps aren't heat. Either way it puts out a lot of heat.

They don't say what resolution they ran Furmark at, but I do see they used no AA. I just ran Furmark with my 5870 at 1680x1050 4xAA and my GPU temp was 57C at the 203 second mark (what they have in their screen shot). That's overclocked to 950MHz...
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I tried this in the AM today with my 5850 @ 1000/1300 water cooled but I missed the 203 second mark tho....But at 213 or so the temp on the core was 40* :)
 
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I didn't think it would be much cooler. It is a larger fan but still blows through the heatsink from the side. I would rather see a design with the fan directly on the heatsink. It would blow the heat into the case but I would rather have a cooler, less noisy card.
 
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I still don't understand the point of the GTX470 at $350 (unless you are going SLI).

5850s are $310 for non-reference designs
GTX470 is ~ $350 + $7-9 shipping = $360
5870s are $390-$410

So you either get a 5850 with 5-7% less performance than GTX470 for 16% less cost, or you get a 5870 that has faster perfromance (esp. at 2560x1600 by 15-20%). On top of that ATI cards are quieter, cooler and consume less power at idle and at load. This leaves GTX470 hanging nowhere.

At least GTX480 is the undisputed champ at $500. When overclocked, it easily smokes a 5870 by 25-30%. GTX470 on the other hand needs to be overclocked just to match a 5870...not to mention GTX4xx series is more dependent on CPU scaling than 5xxx series is.
 
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The GTX 470 does make a cost effective CUDA card. If I ever get more into video work I might consider swapping my 5850 for a 470, but right now gaming is my priority.
 
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Kenmitch said:
I tried this in the AM today with my 5850 @ 1000/1300 water cooled but I missed the 203 second mark tho....But at 213 or so the temp on the core was 40* :)
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Bah. Just for the hell of it I cranked the fan to 100% on the Vapor-X as well as the intake fan on my computer to keep some fresh air in the case. I would never use these fan settings while gaming, they are obnoxiously loud. But, for all this noise I got a whole ~3c - 4C cooler. Whoopy! It was bouncing between 53C and 54C around 220 seconds. Not much improvement, though I do think it's warmer in here today as well. Never the less, it just reinforces what we already know. Water > Air cooling, even with snazzy Vapor-X coolers.
 
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As I said in another thread, 1050 is my "normal" cap with this card, @1.3v. That's 480 range, to be sure.
 
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MagickMan said:
They can bring it, I'll put my `50 red against their `70 green any day.
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Hey dude. The Guru3d conclusion mentions that the KFA2, when overclocked to 800/4016, nears GTX480 performance. Now, for a 5870, it takes an overclock of approximately 1000MHz core and 1300 on the memory to get next to the GTX480.
Do you still think your 5850 at 1020/1200 can equal a 5870 o/c'd to 1000/1300? If not, and you shouldn't, I don't know how you think your 5850 as is, would beat out the o/c'd 470.

Can you explain a bit more?
 
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MagickMan said:
As I said in another thread, 1050 is my "normal" cap with this card, @1.3v. That's 480 range, to be sure.
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No way to squeeze that last 100mhz out of your memory? Makes a noticable diff on my 5850.

Are you using the stock 5850 bios? The hacked Asus 5870 bios might get you the last 100mhz out of the memory.
 
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